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Selling Kill Rights to the bounty office?

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Robertis Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-01-17 23:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Robertis Olacar
I was just wondering what people thought of this idea. That if you have a kill right on someone and their bounty is above x amount you could sell it to the bounty office, or a regional bounty office where players wishing to fill the role of a bounty hunter could go to pick up bounty's that they could hunt in High sec and beyond.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#2 - 2014-01-17 23:30:51 UTC
Why would you do that? You can sell kill rights to anyone already.
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-01-18 01:45:25 UTC
I actually like this idea. IIRC the bounty office doesn't do much at the moment other then show the top 10 bounties and the top 10 bounty hunters. While it's true that killrights can be sold and the like already, creating a specific marketplace for it (other then the crime and punishment forum) would certainly facilitate the service better. You could even add access to a locator agent (if the station has one) to the screen. Congratulations, you now have a functional bounty office.

+1 for things that improve the bounty system.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4 - 2014-01-18 02:54:42 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Why would you do that? You can sell kill rights to anyone already.


Yes, but the system's a little awkward. A proper killright market would improve things, for sure.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#5 - 2014-01-18 07:34:03 UTC
i think i get it. sort of like a list of people with killrights so we can look them up and locator agent them and then activate killrights.. right?

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Robertis Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-01-18 11:18:57 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
i think i get it. sort of like a list of people with killrights so we can look them up and locator agent them and then activate killrights.. right?


Exactly, I was thinking it would focus the bounty system a bit more and maybe add more PvP options to high sec.
zerquse
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-13 18:18:55 UTC
I really like this idea
Notorious Fellon
#8 - 2014-02-13 18:25:03 UTC
Yes to a bounty market.

Yes some more.

Also, yes.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#9 - 2014-02-15 09:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Unless it's been changed and i'm completely unaware of said change, killrights cant be sold at all.

You can make them (exclusively) available to people in your corporation, to everyone and iirc your alliance but you can't contract, trade or actually sell them or give an individual or entity outside of the above three exclusive rights to collect said killrights.

So I personally support the OPs idea, the added benefit of having killrights 'sold' to the bounty office being that you could actively choose and hunt them, rather than hope you'll run into them.

+1
Robertis Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-04-11 13:56:08 UTC
Thought I'd try a draw a bit more attention to this Idea, I still think it would add more action to the game. Thats not to say we're lacking action but more couldn't hurtBig smile
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#11 - 2014-04-11 14:08:18 UTC
Idea needs polish but I like this.
The problem with killrights is that people that have them mostly aren't available to be shot at. (Ganker alts and pirates that stay out of highsec).

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Robertis Olacar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-04-11 14:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Robertis Olacar
Arya Regnar wrote:
Idea needs polish but I like this.
The problem with killrights is that people that have them mostly aren't available to be shot at. (Ganker alts and pirates that stay out of highsec).


I agree does need poslish, I still failry new to Eve at just over a year so am fairly certain that there is a lot I don't know about how such an idea could be implemented, or how it would impact the game. still would love to hear everyones thoughts or their spin on it.
Siphaanu
Human Remains Incorporated
#13 - 2014-04-11 16:25:18 UTC
The basic idea of connecting kill rights with the bounty office is really good. It's still debatable how to actually implement this, but still, very good concept.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-04-11 19:00:15 UTC
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2014-04-11 19:48:27 UTC
First issue when making a system like this is abuse and how to stop it.

Previously problem was that if you placed a hefty enough bounty on anyone they would pop an empty clone with their alt ... and this same problem still persists or at least lurks somewhere near by.

However there could be system where you would buy up the bounty on any character and gain exclusive kill rights to that person.
this would prevent alt abuse but it wouldn't prevent the system being you used for placing bounties on anyone in Jita and then going to town ... Unless you cannot 'buy up' bounties placed by your self ... and we're heading back again to alt problem.

So until 'alt problem' is solved there cannot be a truly viable bounty system *ever* in EVE.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#16 - 2014-04-11 20:12:12 UTC
Robertis Olacar wrote:
I was just wondering what people thought of this idea. That if you have a kill right on someone and their bounty is above x amount you could sell it to the bounty office, or a regional bounty office where players wishing to fill the role of a bounty hunter could go to pick up bounty's that they could hunt in High sec and beyond.


Excellent idea.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#17 - 2014-04-11 20:55:16 UTC
Baneken wrote:
First issue when making a system like this is abuse and how to stop it.

Previously problem was that if you placed a hefty enough bounty on anyone they would pop an empty clone with their alt ... and this same problem still persists or at least lurks somewhere near by.

However there could be system where you would buy up the bounty on any character and gain exclusive kill rights to that person.
this would prevent alt abuse but it wouldn't prevent the system being you used for placing bounties on anyone in Jita and then going to town ... Unless you cannot 'buy up' bounties placed by your self ... and we're heading back again to alt problem.

So until 'alt problem' is solved there cannot be a truly viable bounty system *ever* in EVE.


I think it can, but needs some changes to the system.
We are talking about 2 different issues, the existing bounty system and the existing killright system.

So set aside the bounty system, and focus just on the killright system.

How about this:
Someone has a killright. They give it to the bounty office, and the player sets the value on the killright.
The bounty office then advertises all the killrights, and their value.
Bounty hunters can search available killrights by player name, or value.

The bounty hunter then takes out an "option" on a killright, and has exclusive rights to exercise that option to exercise that killright for some hard period of time, maybe 12 hours, or 24. Now, to avoid someone taking their alt and popping themselves, or just constantly protecting themselves by grabbing the options, there would be a fee based on the value of the killright that has to be paid every time an option is taken up. Could be 5%, maybe 10%. The number would have to be nailed down.

If the bounty hunter "exercises the option" in the period he holds the exclusive option, he gets the value of the bounty, up to say, 50% of the value of the ship and pod he killed. If there is still some bounty money left over from the original killright, that goes back to the bounty office as a killright that still exists on the original ganker. If the bounty hunter does not exercise the option to kill in the specified time, the option expires and the whole killright pops back up on the bounty office boards.

This has a few effects:
1. For a ganker to protect himself, it is going to cost a constant chunk of change to keep buying an option on your own killright.
2. Gankers will hate the idea, but by using a number like 50% of the value of a kill, one gank may result in several bounty hunters coming after a ganker in succession.
3. The 50% number (or whatever seems fair) means that a ganker cannot profit from buying up the killright on himself and exercising it with an alt.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#18 - 2014-04-12 12:16:08 UTC
Bounty system sucks and needs improvements anything that will do that +1 from me

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