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Did CCP change the amount of passive shield regen...
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01101989
We're All Living In America
#1 - 2014-02-12 22:54:28 UTC
...gained by using shield extenders or passive shield hp mods? I bring this up because eve fitting tool shows 100hp/s passive shield regen for my raven while in game it only shows 45/s.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2014-02-12 22:56:21 UTC
Using EFT is dumb.

Mr Epeen Cool
stoicfaux
#3 - 2014-02-12 23:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Do your resists average out to 45% by chance? or 55%? Bah, invert the inverse to get the converse.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-02-12 23:00:48 UTC
EFT shows the peak recharge. The game doesn't.
01101989
We're All Living In America
#5 - 2014-02-12 23:01:50 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Do your resists average out to 45% by chance? or 55%? Bah, invert the inverse to get the converse.

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01101989
We're All Living In America
#6 - 2014-02-12 23:03:05 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
EFT shows the peak recharge. The game doesn't.


my bad. it shows Ehp/s not shield hp/sec.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2014-02-12 23:31:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Using EFT is dumb.

Mr Epeen Cool


Its less dumb than using the in-game tool.

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Esha Ditrix
#8 - 2014-02-13 09:09:30 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Using EFT is dumb.

please explain ?

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#9 - 2014-02-13 09:33:34 UTC
Esha Ditrix wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Using EFT is dumb.

please explain ?


According to Mr Epeen EFT and the like make you dumb and leads to cookie cutter fits that are abused by vets and freeze any kind of will to out of the box ideas being introduced.

I could look for exact quote but I think I got it pretty much right :)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2014-02-13 09:39:45 UTC
They quite literally can't change that because it has nothing to do with shield extenders.
Also, don't use passive tanking on a Raven.
Esha Ditrix
#11 - 2014-02-13 09:41:08 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
According to Mr Epeen EFT and the like make you dumb and leads to cookie cutter fits that are abused by vets and freeze any kind of will to out of the box ideas being introduced.

I could look for exact quote but I think I got it pretty much right :)

well, that would have more to do with the user then the program...
thats like saying you shouldnt use a calculator for advanced mathematics...

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-02-13 09:45:12 UTC
Esha Ditrix wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
According to Mr Epeen EFT and the like make you dumb and leads to cookie cutter fits that are abused by vets and freeze any kind of will to out of the box ideas being introduced.

I could look for exact quote but I think I got it pretty much right :)

well, that would have more to do with the user then the program...
thats like saying you shouldnt use a calculator for advanced mathematics...


And that is why it should only be considered as Mr Epeen's opinion on this subject not as a fact :)

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Esha Ditrix
#13 - 2014-02-13 09:50:15 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
And that is why it should only be considered as Mr Epeen's opinion on this subject not as a fact :)

touché :)

though i usualy share many opinions with mr epeen, but i guess not on this one :)

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#14 - 2014-02-13 10:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Taal Khurin
Passively tanked raven? Urgh.. Fit an active tank so you actually have dps.

X-Large shield booster. 2 x Hardeners and possible a shield boost amp should do it, then fill your lows with BCUs and mids with target painters and whatnot.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-02-13 11:14:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
They quite literally can't change that because it has nothing to do with shield extenders.
Also, don't use passive tanking on a Raven.


Shield extenders DO increase passive recharge as any increase in shield amount whilst keeping shield recharge time constant (as it would be if you added a shield extender and nothing else) boosts shield regen /sec. The shield command ships are often brick fit and get impressive passive tanks even with no shield recharges or SPR in the fit (as that would be silly).
I agree with don't passive tank a raven though that is just insane.

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Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-02-13 12:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Using EFT is dumb.

EVEHQ is simply better. It's not a matter of taste; EVEHQ offers more features with their fitting system. You can do several things you simply cannot do with EFT.

If you don't need those features it's not dumb to use EFT, but considering one of those features is a graph that shows damage projection in customizable states... not sure how any player in a PVP game could justify not having that.



Taal Khurin wrote:
Passively tanked raven? Urgh.. Fit an active tank so you actually have dps.

X-Large shield booster. 2 x Hardeners and possible a shield boost amp should do it, then fill your lows with BCUs and mids with target painters and whatnot.

Sure, but passive fits allow you to perform PVE with a lot less effort. The most ideal fit for AFK/effortless missioning is a passively repped drone boat of course, not a Raven.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-13 14:14:09 UTC
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#18 - 2014-02-13 14:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Myriad Blaze
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
They quite literally can't change that because it has nothing to do with shield extenders.
Also, don't use passive tanking on a Raven.


Shield extenders DO increase passive recharge as any increase in shield amount whilst keeping shield recharge time constant (as it would be if you added a shield extender and nothing else) boosts shield regen /sec. The shield command ships are often brick fit and get impressive passive tanks even with no shield recharges or SPR in the fit (as that would be silly).
I agree with don't passive tank a raven though that is just insane.

Tippia most certainly meant that shield extenders don't affect the shield recharge time. The fact that you get more hp/s if you add more hp while keeping the recharge time constant is too obvious to be overlooked, imho.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-02-13 14:31:40 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Using EFT is dumb.

Mr Epeen Cool


Its less dumb than using the in-game tool.
Cannibal Kane solely uses the ingame tool.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2014-02-13 14:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Shield extenders DO increase passive recharge as any increase in shield amount whilst keeping shield recharge time constant (as it would be if you added a shield extender and nothing else) boosts shield regen /sec. The shield command ships are often brick fit and get impressive passive tanks even with no shield recharges or SPR in the fit (as that would be silly).

My point is that there is no way to “change the amount of passive shield regen” given by a shield extender since the shield extender has nothing to do with that amount. The amount is solely based on the regen curve and the regen time. Yes, by adding an extender, you add HP, but what this provides in terms of HP/s depends on your total HP (since that's what's being fed into the formula), not on the module.

The same extender can increase your regen by 1 HP/s or 100 HP/s depending on the relative increase in total HP. The end result has nothing to do with the extender itself and the regen is not an attribute of any kind of the extender. So they simply can't adjust the extender in a way that just alters the passive regen — that's a completely separate and isolated mechanic.
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