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lamenting solo; the reason its dying
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Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#21 - 2014-02-11 14:41:32 UTC
Shelom instead of posting on the forums maybe ask in corp chat/TS so you don't get branded as another Paul.

Step one is to use ships that aren't OP in 1 v 1s so people will take the fight. Step two is to learn how to drag groups apart so you can pick them off one at a time (training towards this will induce many a loss mail, and even once you are very good at it you will still lose a ton of ships).

JUSTK is recruiting
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2014-02-11 14:49:29 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
War is not a manhood issue. War is not a sporting event where two teams come to the field under pre-arranged terms. It is not your duty to wave your cause's flag bravely and loudly. War is about inflicting damage upon a rival. The damage may be economic, morale-based, or you might bump them into ******* oblivion. You want to "solo"? Die in the fire you deserve. I will always opt to bring superior numbers where possible, I will always opt to disadvantage you in every way possible, I will always strive to gain the biggest advantage from my actions. ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.

Hey look it's "EVE IS WAR" guy! This guy (under many different names) shows up every now and then thinking that low sec is like null sec and that the biggest baddest fleet always wins.

Running around low sec in a 60 man T2 HAC may be the way to show dominance in an area, but it's temprary and it is a poor wayof "inflicting maximum damage on your enemy". People will just dock up and wait for your big p****s fleet to move on. Or, better yet, they'll move on until you leave.

Sometimes the best way to wear down your enemy is to get him to engage. The only way to get him to engage is to appear weak. Hence, solo in "weak" ship.

Now "EVE IS WAR" guy can support solo fighting as well. We're all happy. Kumbyeyah baby!
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#23 - 2014-02-11 16:11:33 UTC
blobbing the target with no losses until they get blobbed back allows killboard nazis to go "hey look at the rifter the 60 of us killed"

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
takedoom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-02-11 20:29:22 UTC
Well you could try not fighting a gang ill-prepared and find 1v1 bouts instead.

http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
snake03
#25 - 2014-02-12 04:03:34 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Joshvader star wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.



Epic troll. Very helpful.. not..




War is not a manhood issue. War is not a sporting event where two teams come to the field under pre-arranged terms. It is not your duty to wave your cause's flag bravely and loudly. War is about inflicting damage upon a rival. The damage may be economic, morale-based, or you might bump them into ******* oblivion. You want to "solo"? Die in the fire you deserve. I will always opt to bring superior numbers where possible, I will always opt to disadvantage you in every way possible, I will always strive to gain the biggest advantage from my actions. ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.



The only reason the "solo" mentality still exists in any form in EVE is because it allows the trumpet bearer to possibly come to terms under a favorable engagement circumstance - that is, denying the enemy reinforcements.



Please don't compare real world war to what happens in an online game like EVE. Also, not all pvp in this game is war based anyway, some players outright murder your ass.(WTFBBQGANKED)....

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.
Death ToU
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-02-12 17:51:05 UTC
Solo is perfectly viable. Dry your eyes, and check out our killboard :)
JuricM
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-02-12 18:06:12 UTC
Hope y'all don't mind, I'm just gonna take a quick shot and ***** on this solo thread!
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#28 - 2014-02-12 20:15:11 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
War is not a manhood issue. War is not a sporting event where two teams come to the field under pre-arranged terms. It is not your duty to wave your cause's flag bravely and loudly. War is about inflicting damage upon a rival. The damage may be economic, morale-based, or you might bump them into ******* oblivion. You want to "solo"? Die in the fire you deserve. I will always opt to bring superior numbers where possible, I will always opt to disadvantage you in every way possible, I will always strive to gain the biggest advantage from my actions. ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.

Hey look it's "EVE IS WAR" guy! This guy (under many different names) shows up every now and then thinking that low sec is like null sec and that the biggest baddest fleet always wins.

Running around low sec in a 60 man T2 HAC may be the way to show dominance in an area, but it's temprary and it is a poor wayof "inflicting maximum damage on your enemy". People will just dock up and wait for your big p****s fleet to move on. Or, better yet, they'll move on until you leave.

Sometimes the best way to wear down your enemy is to get him to engage. The only way to get him to engage is to appear weak. Hence, solo in "weak" ship.

Now "EVE IS WAR" guy can support solo fighting as well. We're all happy. Kumbyeyah baby!



That's just called baiting, should never involve a solo pilot, and has nothing to do with it.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#29 - 2014-02-12 20:16:25 UTC
snake03 wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
Joshvader star wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.



Epic troll. Very helpful.. not..




War is not a manhood issue. War is not a sporting event where two teams come to the field under pre-arranged terms. It is not your duty to wave your cause's flag bravely and loudly. War is about inflicting damage upon a rival. The damage may be economic, morale-based, or you might bump them into ******* oblivion. You want to "solo"? Die in the fire you deserve. I will always opt to bring superior numbers where possible, I will always opt to disadvantage you in every way possible, I will always strive to gain the biggest advantage from my actions. ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.



The only reason the "solo" mentality still exists in any form in EVE is because it allows the trumpet bearer to possibly come to terms under a favorable engagement circumstance - that is, denying the enemy reinforcements.



Please don't compare real world war to what happens in an online game like EVE. Also, not all pvp in this game is war based anyway, some players outright murder your ass.(WTFBBQGANKED)....



You are not very good at PvP then.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#30 - 2014-02-12 21:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Loraine Gess wrote:
That's just called baiting, should never involve a solo pilot, and has nothing to do with it.

You made a pretty absolute statement there "EVE IS WAR" guy. Sun Tzu would be ashamed of you.
Naoru Kozan
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-02-13 04:23:27 UTC
Solo pvp is dead. Long live solo pvp.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#32 - 2014-02-13 10:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciba Lexlulu
Solo in FW region means T3 OGB + cloaked Griffin + T1 frig logi cloaked inside plex. You need two additional accounts to do it rite.

With these properly set up, you are on your way to build a l33t solo pvp-er KB
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-02-13 12:45:37 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Shelom Severasse wrote:

so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?
(Not directed at you personally) Quit flying OP solo boats like Hawks and Sentinels and then whine about "solo is dead". Instead, fly something the other guy thinks he can beat and you'll get more solo fights.


This is so true.
There are so many solo pilots out there but you know what they do when they see a solo hawk/sentinel/harpy/whatever? They say "f**k this" and move on. Usually, they will have a proper fight against a non-op ship a few minutes later.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-02-13 19:41:03 UTC
1vmany is way better then pure 1v1s anyways. If you are getting blobbed (and losing) you are doing something wrong btw.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#35 - 2014-02-13 22:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Quote:
1vmany is way better then pure 1v1s anyways. If you are getting blobbed (and losing) you are doing something wrong btw.


The issue I have with most of the 1 v many posts is that the VAST majority of the people doing 1 v many are not 'true solo'. They are often boosted to the max with nice and expensively fitted ships.

Getting blobbed and losing is par for the course if you are not boosted and expensive fit. This kind of attitude is what a lot of people complain about when the leet solo pvp'er come and say hello. Using more than one account is not solo.

I don't have a problem with people doing the boosting/alt pvp just stop claiming you are solo. I also feel people should clarify if they mean solo - as in I'm by myself and want to fight or 1v1 as they are two totally different things.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-02-13 22:20:25 UTC
No, if you want to 1vmany without links/implants/expensive fits you just cant fly evrything, otherwise its fairly doable. Flying a ab rifter (example) and then complaining is daft, you have to fly the right ship for the job. You can easily 1vmany in a heretic/flycatcher on the frig lvl and the cynabal/vagabond/nomen/ishtar or even the stabber are all viable ships for cruisers.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#37 - 2014-02-13 22:27:55 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No, if you want to 1vmany without links/implants/expensive fits you just cant fly evrything, otherwise its fairly doable. Flying a ab rifter (example) and then complaining is daft, you have to fly the right ship for the job. You can easily 1vmany in a heretic/flycatcher on the frig lvl and the cynabal/vagabond/nomen/ishtar or even the stabber are all viable ships for cruisers.


Very true. It means your ship selection is very limited. however the 1 v many scenario in those ships are even more lopsided and have a small engagement profile as most semi-organised fleets have boosts of their own and will whelp a true solo pilot. A true solo pilots best result is often warp in, realise the fleet is boosted, kill any potential tackle and run.

That being said 1 v many is by far way way more fun than 1v1 as you often have more 'opportunity' to affect the fight by tactic selections etc than just plugging two ships together and seeing what the outcome is.

I was just pointing out however that there are way more people out there claiming solo pvp in 'normal' ships that are boosted to the max in expensive stuff.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-02-14 10:24:38 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No, if you want to 1vmany without links/implants/expensive fits you just cant fly evrything, otherwise its fairly doable. Flying a ab rifter (example) and then complaining is daft, you have to fly the right ship for the job. You can easily 1vmany in a heretic/flycatcher on the frig lvl and the cynabal/vagabond/nomen/ishtar or even the stabber are all viable ships for cruisers.


Sure thing, if you´re going to fight whole fleets solo then go ahead and get any advantage you can get, drugs, implants, shiny ships with faction fittings, even boosts (even though I really REALLY hate them).

But dont use all those things and then expect to get a real 1v1. It´s not going to happen and thats a good thing.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#39 - 2014-02-14 11:04:12 UTC
The very fact that there's you means solo pvp isnt dead.

In my opinion, your real question should be: "Where do I find people who enjoy 1vs1 fights like me?"

I don't really have an answer, but I'd be shying from known low-sec grounds. Mostly blobs there with links.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-02-14 11:15:57 UTC
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.


THIS. So well said.

This character is two months old, and I already have a list of "pro" players (very active killboards, over 5 years old) who have cried about the fact that I jammed them while others reduced them to dust is somehow "unfair."

All of this from a T1 Griffin. With about 1,000 EHP. If you are unable to counter a single ship that can generally be alpha killed by anything - and then cry that things are "unfair" - you just fail at Eve.

The tears from "pro" PVP players who allow themselves to be caught by a superior force and then whine about how if it was a "1v1" fight they would have won - the most epic lulz in all of Eve. Well, it was not a 1vs1 fight, you got spanked, now type "gf" into local and plot some revenge.

i too love to whore to others kills Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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