Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Marlona Sky made a reddit thread on movement within eve. It got me thinking, and I felt the need to spout my idea here, where I will be flamed into oblivion....here goes:

Make an extra fuel bay (or juggle the numbers of the current bays) on capitals, this bay holds a new fuel that is made from isotopes by the ship or a new module (not a siege type module); the new fuel can not be removed from this new bay and there is no source for the fuel but your own ship. The fuel can not be made while in station or cloaked. This fuel replaces isotopes as jump fuel and the stront/topes used for various capital actions; the size of the fuel bay would create limits on jump range over time and force choices to be made along the way. If the bay holds just below the fuel required for 2 jumps, this would slow movement across the map, while still allowing for capitals to jump in and go right into combat, or jump and cycle the fuel generator to jump again. The time for a single jump is unchanged, two jumps is slightly increased over the current docking methods and cap recharge fits; further jumps take significantly longer.

Examples:
Dreadnaughts would be able to jump in and siege just as they do now, so long as it is a single jump. More than one jump will require extra fuel to be made, at the midpoint or on the field, before going into siege.

Carriers would be able to jump and go into triage or start using drones (yes, I am saying carrier drones and fighters should use fuel, ratting carrier tears incoming; as strong as carriers are at multiple roles they need a drawback and this is not a big one) Multiple jumps would require fuel generation at some point.

Supercarriers, same as regular carriers, would be able to jump and drop fighters and FBs immediately. Multiple jumps would require fuel generation at some point.

Titans are much more complicated, and I don't own one. I'm not one for spouting gibberish details on things where I dont have direct experience. I'll just say I think similar ideas should be applied to the various roles of titans.


discuss, flame, or troll as your heart desires

If i'm reading this right, it's almost like a cooldown timer that works based on how much the capital is jumping/sieging, correct?

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So, if you are an experienced cap pilot, could you explain why it should be borderline impossible to use caps offensively? Or why smaller groups should be actively punished for trying to be mobile? Or, hell, why bashing structures in two systems consecutively is bad?

My suggestion is that the fuel bay should fit enough fuel for a single max range jump straight into combat. As an example, your own coalition has been basing out of AF0. Dread range from AF0 is quite extensive and has allowed you to take almost that entire region (and parts of neighboring regions) quite fast. Supercarriers have the same range, and regular carriers can go 30% farther. Note that I'm not saying that range should be changed. I'd say that is quite a good offensive use of caps and my suggestion does nothing to change that.

If caps should be able to near instantly jump farther, why not increase their jump range that distance and just let them skip the meaningless dock/undock step?

See the above reply for how I'm not suggesting a change in the timeline for caps on the battlefield or structure bashing.

Bashing structures in consecutive systems is still perfectly doable. There may be some edge cases of repeatedly jumping to max range, with short siege cycles in between, could be slowed down. This really depends on how the numbers of fuel generation are tweaked. Other than that, learn to plan better.

Counter proposal.... cause if you think that is a good idea then you should love this :
All gates operate on a similar principle: they all have x amount of fuel that is used based on the mass of the ship jumping. It can store up to X amount and over time build up the lost amount to X again. This way, all High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec jumps ultimately limit player transit over space.

Gives a whole new meaning to the word "gate camp".


Edit: and what you are essentially saying is turn the fuel bay into a form of capacitor: something takes time to refil on it's own.... this would lead to a new type of fuel block that can be injected like a cap booster to this new jump drive capacitor.

heh... no... I am not for this idea, but in way of drawing comparisons to other forms of travel... well... there it is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=321042&find=unread

Marlona also has a thread up on this forum, this subforum even. Let's use it please.

So why not add to the discussion there, started by a character who many people are much more likely to read on principle that it's that character starting it, rather than create a whole new thread on the same topic?

You're after the same goal in a similar process. Instead of the Player having a restriction you want the ship to have a restriction?

I don't get why people feel the need to start new threads on the same topic when the idea is pretty similar, just executed slightly different? :/

Yeah I misread the start dates. Read the 12th on both, not 11th on yours and 12th on Marlona's. Mah bad on that.

So you mean like the current situation.