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'In Real LIfe I am KInd. In EVE I am a Psychopath'

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#201 - 2014-02-11 19:54:37 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen Cool


on account of the fact that the Daily Mail carries news to both the UK and the United States and is so far to the right that fox news looks like the communist party press team compared to them.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#202 - 2014-02-11 19:59:07 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen Cool


on account of the fact that the Daily Mail carries news to both the UK and the United States and is so far to the right that fox news looks like the communist party press team compared to them.


My mistake. Here I thought this thread was to elicit opinions on a published study. I didn't realize it was a bash right wing media thread.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#203 - 2014-02-11 20:01:01 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen Cool


Shooting the messenger is psychopathic.

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Gilyan Cayrn
Doomheim
#204 - 2014-02-11 20:14:45 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Gilyan Cayrn wrote:
I think people who scam has a pretty high chance of being douchebags IRL too. The entire "it's just a game so treating people like **** in it is completely fine"-thing just stinks of ignorance, it's the same kind of people that generally acts like assholes on the internet because "lulz its just teh internets", not like there's other people out there that could take offense or be hurt by **** you say right?



If you are being "hurt" by actions taken in a Role Playing fantasy game, especially one whose central theme is a dark and heartless dystopian future, might I suggest the problem lies with YOU and not the community? Take a break. Go fishing, go smoke a fattie, whatever. Come back when you realize that its not real. Or don't come back. Maybe Eve isn't the game for you.

Just last weekend a miner told me that he hoped i would die of cancer after I violenced his spaceship without his consent. I shot his spaceship in a game about shooting spaceships and he wished death upon me. But I'm the ignorant psycho right? Right?Ugh

Get bent dude.

Also,





HTFU.


Killing miners isn't exactly what I was talking about, that's just part of the game. Lets say you help a newbie learn the game for a while, talk to him on a voicechat and become somewhat friendly only to later scam him. That's what I'm talking about.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#205 - 2014-02-11 20:31:17 UTC
Gilyan Cayrn wrote:


Killing miners isn't exactly what I was talking about, that's just part of the game. Lets say you help a newbie learn the game for a while, talk to him on a voicechat and become somewhat friendly only to later scam him. That's what I'm talking about.


That's a part of the game. One I wouldn't partake in (I don't personally see the fun in it) but that doesn't change facts.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#206 - 2014-02-11 20:38:29 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Gilyan Cayrn wrote:
I think people who scam has a pretty high chance of being douchebags IRL too. The entire "it's just a game so treating people like **** in it is completely fine"-thing just stinks of ignorance, it's the same kind of people that generally acts like assholes on the internet because "lulz its just teh internets", not like there's other people out there that could take offense or be hurt by **** you say right?



If you are being "hurt" by actions taken in a Role Playing fantasy game, especially one whose central theme is a dark and heartless dystopian future, might I suggest the problem lies with YOU and not the community? Take a break. Go fishing, go smoke a fattie, whatever. Come back when you realize that its not real. Or don't come back. Maybe Eve isn't the game for you.

Just last weekend a miner told me that he hoped i would die of cancer after I violenced his spaceship without his consent. I shot his spaceship in a game about shooting spaceships and he wished death upon me. But I'm the ignorant psycho right? Right?Ugh

Get bent dude.

Also,









HTFU.


There are loads of people who shouldn't be gaming at all in any way, least of all something intentionally nasty like EVE. They get upset when you tell them this lol.

I personally don't get it. If someone beating me at a game or cheating me out of something in a game notorious for cheats, I'd be able to recognize my lack of suitability for that activity.

I've got a cousin who is younger than me (he's 35) who has been married 6 times (every marriage ending due to his actions) who is engaged again and haven't figured out it's not for him (and lucky as hell he doesn't live in a real "alimony" state lol). love him to death but he's 'special', always has a get rich scheme to and always needs to 'borrow' money lol. Knows better than to ask m

Every time I see someone complain about some well advertised aspect of EVE (like a scam or a gank or losing alll te stuff they had because they put it all in/on one ship)) I think about that cousin and shake my head....
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#207 - 2014-02-11 20:46:10 UTC
Eve is more like a virtual world than a game, think about that.

Hilmar had a nice presentation just recently that touches this a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq1YWbv-r0I
Winchester Steele
#208 - 2014-02-11 21:14:41 UTC
Gilyan Cayrn wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Gilyan Cayrn wrote:
I think people who scam has a pretty high chance of being douchebags IRL too. The entire "it's just a game so treating people like **** in it is completely fine"-thing just stinks of ignorance, it's the same kind of people that generally acts like assholes on the internet because "lulz its just teh internets", not like there's other people out there that could take offense or be hurt by **** you say right?



If you are being "hurt" by actions taken in a Role Playing fantasy game, especially one whose central theme is a dark and heartless dystopian future, might I suggest the problem lies with YOU and not the community? Take a break. Go fishing, go smoke a fattie, whatever. Come back when you realize that its not real. Or don't come back. Maybe Eve isn't the game for you.

Just last weekend a miner told me that he hoped i would die of cancer after I violenced his spaceship without his consent. I shot his spaceship in a game about shooting spaceships and he wished death upon me. But I'm the ignorant psycho right? Right?Ugh

Get bent dude.

Also,





HTFU.


Killing miners isn't exactly what I was talking about, that's just part of the game. Lets say you help a newbie learn the game for a while, talk to him on a voicechat and become somewhat friendly only to later scam him. That's what I'm talking about.



Well, for starters lets take the newbie out of it, as scamming newbros is frowned upon by CCP and against the rules. Unless of course you are talking about the carebear definition of newbie being anyone who has played for less than 6 years. As someone who greatly enjoys teaching CEO's the ins an outs of corporate risk management through the fine art of awoxing, I am ALWAYS on the lookout for people who want to get "friendly" with me. And yes, once we become friends I will absolutely steal EVERYTHING that isnt nailed down and shoot everything that is. And yes I will bathe myself in the warm and salty tears of those whom I "victimize", pastebinning it for later enjoyment and sharing with my community.

No, That does not make me a psycho in RL. Or ignorant. Or a douchebag. In RL, I am a late 30's maintenance technician for a major ISP, gainfully employed at the same company for over 10 years (no awox so far, but maybe i'm waiting for director roles?). I am a happily married (coming up on 15 years!) father of 3 wonderful children whom I adore. I've never been arrested or charged with any crime. I've never done anything remotely "evil" in my life, nor do I entertain such thoughts. (Unless you count teaching my kids how to gank miners as evil Twisted)

The point being that my in-game actions tell you literally nothing about who I am in RL, because:

A. I'm not demented. I am very easily able to discern reality from fantasy. Unlike the death threat crowd.
B. I'm playing a ROLE in a role playing game. IT'S NOT REAL. It's a make believe fantasy, where I like to pretend I am a badass immortal spaceship pilo

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#209 - 2014-02-11 21:21:18 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
[EVE Online and poker are] both games that can be for fun or for competition, and where feelings can be invested. Similar indeed.
Poker has a more defined goal, EVEs sandbox makes it slightly more complicated, but for the purpose of analogy it's pretty fitting.

...

What a non-sequitur, just like "waaaaah eve = tech poker = paper waaaaah".


EVE can definitely be played competitively. Poker can be played non-competitively. I agree that in many ways, the analogy can be very fitting. So, I'll ask again: What is the EVE Online equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is the poker equivalent of a "hot drop"?

Your thought processes seems to be lacking coherence. If it is a good analogy to say that EVE is like poker, then how does it not follow to wonder how certain "plays" in EVE are like certain "plays" in poker, and vice versa?

Tippia wrote:
…so, much like what I said then: the ones that treat the game as a game and laugh at the hilarious mistakes and pratfalls it inevitably generates are well-adjusted people. The ones who can't separate game from reality and who abuse and threaten other players for things that happen in the game — commonly when they perceive a loss of some kind — are the ones who need to have their medication adjusted. The gankers you keep yelping about don't play to win; they play for fun, for challenge, for the act of bonding.


OK, but why are these supposedly well adjusted people griefing psychologically trouble players? Does it make sense that you'd sit at a poker table playing poker with psychologically troubled individual who kept threatening to murder you every time you check-raised or folded before the flop? What would that make YOU? How would that be fun? Is that what poker is "about"?

(And, just because this one is a running theme of the thread:)
Jenn aSide wrote:
There are loads of people who shouldn't be gaming at all in any way, least of all something intentionally nasty like EVE.


It's not your job to determine the actions of others. It is your job to determine your own actions and reactions. Other people get to be just that, OTHER PEOPLE. They are not objects that you control. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. If you have a problem with them playing EVE, that is a motivation that you bring into the game from OUTSIDE of the game, and the things that you do under that motivation are not "playing EVE", no matter whether you do them "in-game" or not.
Josef Djugashvilis
#210 - 2014-02-11 21:24:03 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen Cool


on account of the fact that the Daily Mail carries news to both the UK and the United States and is so far to the right that fox news looks like the communist party press team compared to them.


My mistake. Here I thought this thread was to elicit opinions on a published study. I didn't realize it was a bash right wing media thread.

Mr Epeen Cool


It is not a, 'bash the right wing media thread' it is simply describing the Daily Spite for what it is.Smile

This is not a signature.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#211 - 2014-02-11 21:27:40 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Why everyone is ragging on the Daily Mail when it's an American study they are reporting on is beyond me.

U.S. 'science' is publish or perish and corporate funded.

That's the real problem.

But keep shooting the messenger. It shows most of you didn't even click the link.

Mr Epeen Cool


on account of the fact that the Daily Mail carries news to both the UK and the United States and is so far to the right that fox news looks like the communist party press team compared to them.


My mistake. Here I thought this thread was to elicit opinions on a published study. I didn't realize it was a bash right wing media thread.

Mr Epeen Cool


All I am saying is that the messenger (i.e. the daily mail) only publishes things in its own interests as befitting their narrow agenda. It might be a good study, it might not be, but if it said the opposite i.e. that nasty people in video games are more likely to be nice in real life then it wouldn't have been highlighted by the daily mail as this does not fit their agenda. I would also like to point out that the daily mail are currently waging war on the internet in general and are part of a rich man's cabal that want to end net neutrality and turn the internet into the equivalent of a Tv channel where they (not you) control the content.

Running that story fits their agenda which is why it cannot be trusted.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#212 - 2014-02-11 21:38:23 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

All I am saying is that the messenger (i.e. the daily mail) only publishes things in its own interests as befitting their narrow agenda. It might be a good study, it might not be, but if it said the opposite i.e. that nasty people in video games are more likely to be nice in real life then it wouldn't have been highlighted by the daily mail as this does not fit their agenda. I would also like to point out that the daily mail are currently waging war on the internet in general and are part of a rich man's cabal that want to end net neutrality and turn the internet into the equivalent of a Tv channel where they (not you) control the content.

Running that story fits their agenda which is why it cannot be trusted.


So doing an article on a study actually negates the study because of the outlet that is carrying the story? That's some grand higher order thinking right there.

That entire spew above has nothing whatsoever to do with the study that the OP wished to make a thread about. Most of you just read the headline, saw what site posted it and started key-mashing without a clue as to the actual content of the study referenced.

Someone should do a study on that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#213 - 2014-02-11 21:39:50 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
So, I'll ask again: What is the EVE Online equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is the poker equivalent of a "hot drop"?
You already got the answer to that particular gem of idiocy:
Quote:
What a non-sequitur, just like "waaaaah eve = tech poker = paper waaaaah".
There is no reason to expect there to be an equivalent.

Quote:
It's not your job to determine the actions of others. It is your job to determine your own actions and reactions. Other people get to be just that, OTHER PEOPLE. They are not objects that you control. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. If you have a problem with them playing EVE, that is a motivation that you bring into the game from OUTSIDE of the game, and the things that you do under that motivation are not "playing EVE", no matter whether you do them "in-game" or not.
Wait, you, a member of the the "you're all sociopaths" club, asks us to worry about ourselves?
I'm not sure what you want, but you might want to rethink that particular statement.

If you want, I can give you counselling on how to not mess up your own campaign. I do this IRL, maybe I can do it ingame as well, who knows? You'll have to pay me a good amount of ISK, though, I also need to assist in managing a good friends campaign to get elected to the EU Parliament* this spring, so you need to make it worth my while.

*He won't get in unless a miracle (Or catastrophe) happens, so it's a win if he gets a good personal election.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#214 - 2014-02-11 22:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

All I am saying is that the messenger (i.e. the daily mail) only publishes things in its own interests as befitting their narrow agenda. It might be a good study, it might not be, but if it said the opposite i.e. that nasty people in video games are more likely to be nice in real life then it wouldn't have been highlighted by the daily mail as this does not fit their agenda. I would also like to point out that the daily mail are currently waging war on the internet in general and are part of a rich man's cabal that want to end net neutrality and turn the internet into the equivalent of a Tv channel where they (not you) control the content.

Running that story fits their agenda which is why it cannot be trusted.


So doing an article on a study actually negates the study because of the outlet that is carrying the story? That's some grand higher order thinking right there.

That entire spew above has nothing whatsoever to do with the study that the OP wished to make a thread about. Most of you just read the headline, saw what site posted it and started key-mashing without a clue as to the actual content of the study referenced.

Someone should do a study on that.

Mr Epeen Cool


All I know is that the daily mail is toxic, you can't trust any of its output. It only ever acts in its own interest, it's not an unbiased arbitrator of news, it has an agenda. This story matches that agenda, ergo the study is contaminated by association. It's only making the news because it fits that agenda.

Edit: Mr Epeen, do you really believe that study which seems highly simplistic at best is a genuine representation of human behaviour?

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#215 - 2014-02-11 22:15:58 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


All I know is that the daily mail is toxic, you can't trust any of its output. It only ever acts in its own interest, it's not an unbiased arbitrator of news, it has an agenda. This story matches that agenda, ergo the study is contaminated by association. It's only making the news because it fits that agenda.


So if the Daily Mail did an article on the moon landing or 9/11, you'd have no choice but to believe that they never actually happened? Just because they are biased and toxic like every other news outlet in the entire known world?

Did you actually read the study? Do you have an opinion on it?

I'm guessing that in your hate-on for the Mail, the answer is no to both questions.

Mr Epeen Cool
Josef Djugashvilis
#216 - 2014-02-11 22:46:58 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


All I know is that the daily mail is toxic, you can't trust any of its output. It only ever acts in its own interest, it's not an unbiased arbitrator of news, it has an agenda. This story matches that agenda, ergo the study is contaminated by association. It's only making the news because it fits that agenda.


So if the Daily Mail did an article on the moon landing or 9/11, you'd have no choice but to believe that they never actually happened? Just because they are biased and toxic like every other news outlet in the entire known world?

Did you actually read the study? Do you have an opinion on it?

I'm guessing that in your hate-on for the Mail, the answer is no to both questions.

Mr Epeen Cool


The Daily Spite would probably have blamed, feminist 'wimmin', immigrants, homosexuals, and the entire 60s generation with their liberal values, for 9/11 and claimed that it would never have happened if Maggie had still been in power. Shocked

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Reckless Ourtomineng
#217 - 2014-02-11 22:47:24 UTC
eVE MADE ME PSYCOPATH, BECAUSE OF CONTINUOS ISD locks!!!01101
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#218 - 2014-02-11 22:58:56 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
And American football is played with a little bit of pigskin and a field . . . we can talk about online poker, which is a computer simulati . . . Does that make it close enough for EVE for you to get the connection?


So, football=EVE Online=online poker. Did I read that right?

I agree that all games have some unifying principles. That's why we can even classify very different activities like football and EVE Online and online poker as all being instances of this something we call "games".

So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?

Galen Darksmith wrote:
I am here to [blow] up spaceships . . . you are not . . . high on my list of priorities.


OK, but why not just play a single player game, then? Is there some element of the game that you cannot get without causing loss to others?
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#219 - 2014-02-11 22:59:25 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Did you actually read the study?
Personally? No. I'm willing to take the risk that The Daily Mail reported right for the first time.
I do like my odds, especially since so far, the psychopath-chanters has been wrong each time it was brought up.
Even better, The Daily Mail has, as usual, not cited any source, so based on their reporting of it, I am certainly not unreasonable if I conclude that The Daily Mail has misreported, misrepresented, quotemined, taken decade old reports and presented as new, presented as scientific that which is not, or simply made up a story to suit their agenda. I could Google it and follow the track back to the original study and read the paper fully, or I could put it all on the 99.999% certainty that this is The Daily Mail and on the subject of technology and science they tend to have a similar understanding and agenda as the feudal lords who didn't like mills.
My humblest apologies for not bothering to find out if The Daily Mail for once honestly reported a science or technology study, and for checking if the study (Meaning, the peer-reviewed paper) was done with a statistically significant of people with control groups and double blinds etc., along with all the other hallmarks of a rigorous study.
But on the other hand, that also means I do not claim to know what the study said.
Only what The Daily Mails article claimed that it said.

Since I don't debate The Daily Mail here, and since I can't call it a newspaper without accidentally laughing or coughing, I reply to people who have no clue what they're talking about here and ignore The Daily Mail.
I'm in no way sorry if I have thus offended your senses.

Best wishes.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#220 - 2014-02-11 23:00:06 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


All I know is that the daily mail is toxic, you can't trust any of its output. It only ever acts in its own interest, it's not an unbiased arbitrator of news, it has an agenda. This story matches that agenda, ergo the study is contaminated by association. It's only making the news because it fits that agenda.


So if the Daily Mail did an article on the moon landing or 9/11, you'd have no choice but to believe that they never actually happened? Just because they are biased and toxic like every other news outlet in the entire known world?

Did you actually read the study? Do you have an opinion on it?

I'm guessing that in your hate-on for the Mail, the answer is no to both questions.

Mr Epeen Cool


The Daily Spite would probably have blamed, feminist 'wimmin', immigrants, homosexuals, and the entire 60s generation with their liberal values, for 9/11 and claimed that it would never have happened if Maggie had still been in power. Shocked


Does opinion somehow change the facts of an event?

Do you shoot your mailman in the face because he comments on government inefficiency when handing you your welfare cheque? If you can't look past who's saying something and look at the actual thing, then you are exactly the type of sheeple the government wishes everyone would be.

Mr Epeen Cool