EVE General Discussion

After noon all,

First, I’m going start with “I made some bad choices”. I feel I had made better choices after the fact but luck wasn’t on my side this last time.

Recently returned. Prior to leaving I didn’t have much trouble with these types of things before. Now been having all sorts of issues.

So spit it out already what’s the problem? Just Hauling stuff. I only manually fly, I do not use AP.

I logon for the first time in a year or two. Find myself in Jita. Decided before I fly out down to my assets I’d load up a frigate with something for a return (region trading). Undock, insta popped. I’ve been back a whole 5mins.

Ok, I really can’t blame anyone but myself on that one. I should of tanked it and choose a better hull if I was going to be moving something of decent value, plus had a insta undock bookmark set.

Next I jump in my freighter and I’m moving a bit of trit down a high sec pipeline, while aligning an attempt was made by a fleet to gank me. I managed to get out with 15% structure. Thankfully they didn’t have enough DPS before concord showed up. The next 30mins or so I spent repping the thing because it was 90m to repair it.

This point the freighter has no value to me anymore, I can’t move product. Quite a big hit to lose that. I’ll reframe from trading and moving stuff and just use it for my needs. Not worth the risk. Which is a real shame, that’s one of the things I enjoy doing and was looking forward too. So I sold it and decided to stick with just transport ships, which I have max skill for. Sure I’ll have to take a bunch of extra trips. But least survivalbity is greatly improved. Mean time perhaps I’ll another use for this guy.

Last night I was moving stuff one jump out in low sec for one of my other toons. Like I often did in the past. I never warp directly to station if I can’t D-scan the station first. In this case I could see the station from the gate. All clear, cool. After I warped (cloaked) , a ship undocked at the station. Not something I can really control. Least I do have a bit of a shield tank fitted,nice resists. I land, my ship decloak’s naturally. Insta popped before docking request completed.

Reflecting back, in the short time I’ve been back things haven’t been going so well for me. While hauling something in a frigate was a stupid on my part. The rest of my experience thus far was things out of my control. To the point I can’t even haul something in any configuration I can currently fly (Frig, hauler, Transport, Freighter).

Appreciate advice on the “how to” of EVE today to perform the following
Moving something from hisec to hisec
Moving something from hisec to low sec.
Ship types and or fits would be appreciated. I assume any type of hauler is out. My guess is T3 cruiser is the way to move things around now x 4000 trips?

Thanks

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Because he's not as new as he says he is. The only way is with a RR alt, if I'm not mistaken.

Mr Epeen

Yeah

so why arr those RR alt(s) escorting his frater?

Uhm.... for freighters never move more than 1 bil worth of cargo and you are fine, but personally I just use Red Frog Freight.

For moving stuff to low just use the T2 industrials.
Make docking bookmarks for stations. Warp to zero isn't really warp to zero anymore, so if you are unlucky and drop out 3km from the station you are screwed.

So escort the freighter then

losing the frigate, were you loitering long enough to get scanned or were you the victim of a random act of violence? There's so much traffic there that I'm surprised you would be scanned and targeted for destruction before even being able to warp off.

Coming close with the freighter, how much trit were you carrying? The most cited number for the gank threshold is around the 1.5 bn mark, maybe a bit lower. However, it does get quite a bit higher if you're in a 0.7 or above. You're still vulnerable to tornado instapopping, but that's a bit less common considering how well it can be done in a 0.5 with catalysts.

An orca can significantly out-tank an obelisk while being faster and carrying abotu 100k m3 of cargo, 50km3 of ore, plus the ship maintenance bay. This is a good option if you aren't able to use all that cargo space that freighters have.

getting insta'd on stations really sucks, especially if you're trying to dock and well within range. Its a really bad way to lose a blingy tengu. Gotta remember to turn those hardeners on even for that brief second before the system lets you dock.

I might point out that blockade runners are very good at moving high value cargoes of limited volume. You can also use double-wrap courier contracts to avoid getting scanned (the fact these still exist should tell you something about CCP). You may consider splitting up your load for crossing the dangerous systems. But yeah, the days of "fill freighter, fly to Jita" are pretty gone. For my purposes, that "under a bil in value" tends to correspond to a volume that fits easily inside my orca, even when I'm talking raw materials. I might feel differently if I was producing battleships or capital mods or fighters.



Edit: Shrink Wrap or Plastic Wrap is a known exploit that CCP has sanctioned (meaning its not an exploit). Basically any container inside a courier contract cannot be scanned. That container can be an actual container, or it can be another courier contract. That this mechanic still exists can either be taken as evidence of CCPs supreme laziness, or it can be taken as tacit acknowledgement that freighters are worthless but they don't want to nerf ganking.

He didn't say he was new at all, did he?

Also, I'm curious to know how often you get cargoes that will fit in a freighter, but not in an orca, but still be under 1bn isk.

With a Tornado you can get a volley over 13k. That means even if concord is sitting on a 1.0 sec gate, there's a good chance the T1 industrial is going to pop.

...just sayin'.

I wish I had started highsec ganking years and years ago...

Clearly I must have the best luck in the world, only one of my toons has ever been suicide ganked in highsec. Sure I have alts to do the job, but other than being a noob and going to jita a couple of times while in FW to get insta popped by Gallente station campers, never really had an issue.

But, use scouts to provide insta docks and insta undocks and save the bookmarks. It's the only way to be 100% sure.