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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#21 - 2014-02-10 18:54:30 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Only thing I would tell you - you are going to hear a bunch of high sec carebears tell you that you "can't" go into low or null sec until you have specific skills or a specific ship. Ignore them. These are the people who have been hugging high-sec all their lives and are always "almost" ready once they get that "one more skill" or that "one more ship" - then after they get it, there will be just "one more thing" they need to get - repeat until death due to boredom.


Quoted because it just cant be said enough.


I think it's fine to stay in HighSec. But don't ever come to the forums demanding changes to how "safe" it is.








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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#22 - 2014-02-10 19:27:52 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
I think it's fine to stay in HighSec. But don't ever come to the forums demanding changes to how "safe" it is.


Are you talking about the rampant highsec should equal safesec entitlement threads..or the highsec is too safe, nerf highsec threads?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Aurix Kane
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-02-10 19:40:03 UTC
Ok, another n00b here. I completely agree with the OP. I am having the time of my life with EVE.

Funny story as to how I just now started playing. I usually fly flight-sims or the like, and I've got a flight controller setup for this. I just had a vasectomy (yup, got snipped), and I couldn't sit in my chair and hold my joystick (pun intended) comfortably. I needed to find a mouse-only game until I healed from my self-inflicted wounds.

So I finally decided to try EVE. It's all I've been doing since...paid for a six-month subscription. Still in High-Sec, but I love the idea that I COULD get ganked for no reason. Makes it more meaningful and intense. Once I figure out which of the many career paths to choose from, I'll apply for a Corp.

I might be divorced soon, though. :)
Notorious Fellon
#24 - 2014-02-10 19:44:50 UTC
Aurix Kane wrote:
...
I might be divorced soon, though. :)



May be best to prepare for the inevitable then. Get the current wife hooked on the game too. That way, when your divorce hits, you can use locator agents to find her and apply the appropriate gank and scam methods.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2014-02-10 19:56:33 UTC
Welcome to the game.

The only thing I'd like to add on top of everyone else is this.

Don't take losses personally. The game is a lot more fun if you aren't worried about losing whatever it is you're flying. It's a good idea to not fly anything you can't replace 3 times over. Keep it cheap, and you can afford more of it.

Other than that, have fun.... mining... yeah. Anyway, best of luck.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#26 - 2014-02-10 20:30:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
I think it's fine to stay in HighSec. But don't ever come to the forums demanding changes to how "safe" it is.


Are you talking about the rampant highsec should equal safesec entitlement threads..or the highsec is too safe, nerf highsec threads?



Yes.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-02-10 22:32:04 UTC

Welcome to New Eden.

I highly reccomend leaving that NPC corporation as soon as possible. You may want to look in to Red Versus Blue, Eve University, Brave Newbies, or a nullsec corporation that runs a dedicated newbie program.

What is going to carry you through the years is the relationships you develop with other players around you.

Also, quick tips to help you through your first months.

Spend one of your neural remaps to a Intellect/Perception layout. This will help you with the broad skill training you are going to be doing.

If a skill has a x1 multiplier, train it to 5 immediately. Otherwise train to 4.

Save up some ISK to get yourself a jumpclone with +4 attribute implants for skill training for when you need to step away from the game for a while.
Just Trent
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-02-10 22:44:00 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Well, welcome to Eve :)

Posts like yours are really enjoyable to read because you show understanding that nothing happens instantly and a lot depends on your own initiative not on what devs implemented for you. Devs always say they just give us tools and we can build something beautiful with them or make other people miserable by touching their pixels in wrong way.

Few things from me as general advice:

- There is no such thing as playing Eve wrong if you enjoy what you are doing. That has not to be confused with being stupid, lazy and full of entitlement. In Eve you can do whatever you want but same applies to other people and they may want to explode you or scam you or exploit you in some way. Until it is all within TOS/EULA limits everything if fair game.

- There is no such thing as fair game. There is no such thing as space honor or guaranteed 1v1, etc. As one Tusker once said "E-honor is self imposed limitation". You can be gentle, honorable and helpful but do not be naive and gullible to think everybody will be the same to you.

- There is no such thing as being ready for low, null or anything else. If you think you are ready just make that move and see what will happen. And honestly, there is no amount of duels in hisec that can prepare you for being ganked by total stranger. And it applies to every space even hisec (and if you are mining please read on gankers, New Order dudes and such stuff).

- For the love of God when you decide to leave hisec, even for short trip google "how to survive in lowsec" and read and/or watch guides and tutorials so you will know how to theoretically avoid fights if you don't want to engage in them. Things can and probably will go wrong but maybe at least somebody like me will have to put some effort into finding you in space.

And last but not least do not let anybody tell you how you should play Eve. What one finds boring others find relaxing, what one finds difficult others find intriguing. Play as you like but listen to advice when somebody offers one because they may already went through some growing pains and can help you get better results faster.

Have fun and remember: ships are just tools, they will explode and you should take every explosion as a learning experience not the end of the world.


this remember EVE is what YOU make it, welcome to the game mate
Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-02-10 23:09:00 UTC
Truth be told, tutorials are helpful compared to how they were a couple of years ago but they still need a lot of work in the department of ''getting it'' into newbies. Feels like spreadsheets in space or spreadsheets with a galaxy screensaver What?

I joined EvE around October last year, while learning everything was daunting and infuriating at best, You will find that with patience everything will just click in and then you will start to enjoy EvE for what it is, The ''self''? imposed slogan of most complicated MMORPG in the market is very true, EvE weeds out the ''weak'' crowd and only the thick skinned ones will stay and enjoy the deep experience of EvE.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#30 - 2014-02-10 23:13:55 UTC
Great post OP, glad to see there are still some people left Eve can awe a little with it's complexity. You seem to fit the profile for this niche spaceships game nicely, MMO's like this have been going out of fashion and Eve is one of the few bastions of semi-sandboxing around. You are right that you will not become a super-pirate right away, but it's a knowledge hurdle and not about SP per se. Inform yourself well, and even you can make solo kills that go into the hundreds of millions within your first week. It's all about knowing what to engage where and when.

Other posters are correct about that NPC corp (leave it as soon as you are able), teaming up with others will smooth the learning curve considerably. There are many player corps that entirely revolve around PVP training, some even give open classes. That being said, going at it sith a pickaxe solo at the start can be a lot of fun too, if not somewhat exhausting. It will turn Eve into the Dark Souls of MMO's. When you get tired of rummaging through your bitbox to see if you can pull off something, people remain your best source of (mis)information and guidance. I've played for 2-3 years and still can't remember what each ship does! Big smile
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-02-11 03:25:52 UTC
i like this guy
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-02-11 03:28:05 UTC
I like to think all new players are "accessible"... where is it you're mining again ? Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-02-11 03:31:38 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Only thing I would tell you - you are going to hear a bunch of high sec carebears tell you that you "can't" go into low or null sec until you have specific skills or a specific ship. Ignore them. These are the people who have been hugging high-sec all their lives and are always "almost" ready once they get that "one more skill" or that "one more ship" - then after they get it, there will be just "one more thing" they need to get - repeat until death due to boredom.


Quoted because it just cant be said enough.


went to low at 3 weeks and moved to null at 5.
i was too cautious.
within days of moving to null i was involved in huge battles involving hundreds of pilots. i don't even understand why people resist taking part in the fun aspects of the game.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Ai Shun
#34 - 2014-02-11 04:04:06 UTC
First up, welcome!

Ralen Zateki wrote:
I mean, ya, I get it. It'll be a long time before I'm a veteran pilot who can hold his own in low or null sec.


I'm not 100% convinced by this. Yes, if you're just starting out in a Rookie ship your contribution in those areas will be low. But if you pick a lower class of ship (Frigate, etc.) and start training you can start helping out immediately. (Noted that you say "hold his own" ... ) Character age is not that big a barrier to being a part of lowsec. (My foray into null was very limited)

Ralen Zateki wrote:
The tutorial is very well done. From what I'm gathering, it's been developing over the years. But investing the time in doing the tutorial and the Sisters of EVE epic is proving to set me up quite nicely with a wide range of the basics.


Agreed. Circumstances enforced a break from the game a while ago and a good friend twisted my arm to come back and play again. I started a new character and started working my way through the tutorials and they're really nicely done and explain the core functionality well.

Amusingly, at the same time there was somebody who must have decided to skip them all. As I was working through the tutorials I could see his questions being answered by Aura.

Ralen Zateki wrote:
Now back to mining!!!Smile


Don't burn out doing just that, please.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-02-11 04:39:55 UTC
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Welcome to EVE!

Only thing I would tell you - you are going to hear a bunch of high sec carebears tell you that you "can't" go into low or null sec until you have specific skills or a specific ship. Ignore them. These are the people who have been hugging high-sec all their lives and are always "almost" ready once they get that "one more skill" or that "one more ship" - then after they get it, there will be just "one more thing" they need to get - repeat until death due to boredom.

LMAO! That is so spot on. I am very guilty of this. Although at least in my case, I'm micromanaging a high-sec empire that pulls in as much profit as most small alliances.

OP, follow this man's words. PVP the earlier the better. It's like haircuts. Once you wait too long, it becomes hard to accept doing it.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-02-11 05:30:41 UTC
Love this post. I'm new to EVE (and gaming) as well. I really wanted to play multi-player WC: Privateer and I got my wish! It's kind of weird that the dense reading inside the game is a welcome change to the dense reading I do for my classes.

I've had a few heart pounding moments now, killed in my starter ship, jumped through a couple of wormholes into uncharted space (I wish I knew about sensors), and blasting through 0.0 in a tin can (my Condor). I do some mining in 0.4 occasionally to get some schoolwork done and pour through ISIS.

Everyone has been so helpful/psychotic in the game. There's really no middle ground..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ilyana Nehla
Caldari Supply and Armament Inc.
#37 - 2014-02-11 12:55:34 UTC
Welcome OP.

Play EVE like you want. Nobody can tell you what and how to do something here. Its your choice and you can form eve to your likings (Within certain boundaries though ;) )

Have fun and stay strong. You WILL eventually lose your ship. unless you just park it in a High Sec station you will lose it...eventually. When is up to you :)




Sigh. Sometimes I miss the times when EVE was all new to me and everytime I saw something new I was like ""whoa" :O" .... sweet times :P

Cheers
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#38 - 2014-02-11 13:07:16 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Only thing I would tell you - you are going to hear a bunch of high sec carebears tell you that you "can't" go into low or null sec until you have specific skills or a specific ship. Ignore them. These are the people who have been hugging high-sec all their lives and are always "almost" ready once they get that "one more skill" or that "one more ship" - then after they get it, there will be just "one more thing" they need to get - repeat until death due to boredom.


Quoted because it just cant be said enough.


Quting the Quote because of thruth. Get out of high, the sooner the better.
Enraku Reynolt
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#39 - 2014-02-11 14:30:55 UTC
djentropy Ovaert wrote:
Welcome to EVE!

Only thing I would tell you - you are going to hear a bunch of high sec carebears tell you that you "can't" go into low or null sec until you have specific skills or a specific ship. Ignore them. These are the people who have been hugging high-sec all their lives and are always "almost" ready once they get that "one more skill" or that "one more ship" - then after they get it, there will be just "one more thing" they need to get - repeat until death due to boredom.

I've personally witnessed accounts less then eight hours old flying with and taking part in some epic fun pew pew space battles against other players.

So again, welcome - and my best piece of advice - don't believe anyone when they tell you how to play EVE. Most of them are too cookie cutter to try anything new or original, or have been simply fed the same line by someone else and will pass it on to the next generation of newbie. Hell, I know players who in their entire eve career have never even come up with a original fitting for a ship - they just ask others what the "Best" fitting is, and use that every single time they fly that kind of ship. Then they will cry when they are countered easy by other cookie cutter fits designed to counter the original cookie cutter fit. Think outside the box, man!


Play style dependant

You want pvp
YA. Hit low/null and hope you can get some allies
Otherwise depending on what your plans are, rushing off won't be profitable
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#40 - 2014-02-11 14:58:53 UTC
Ralen Zateki wrote:


And ya... aside from direct "how to" advice on interfaces and such... I'm savoring learning the game mechanics and trying to learn/ move on my own in a direction toward goals. Little things.... like placing an afterburner on my big slow-ass Sigil so that I can pick up my packs faster.... etc. etc.



You will do well here my friend.


Welcome to EvE Big smile

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
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