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Highsec ganking has never been easier, REJOICE!

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Glyphe Temare
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-02-11 00:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Glyphe Temare
What the title says, a bunch of 1 month old npc toon alts in nados, choose target, one shot ANY target smaller than a freighter with 100k or even 150k EHP+ alpha, rinse repeat. It's a golden age for ganking! It's even become pretty much pandemic with everyone and their neighboors going at it.

LET'S ALL REJOICE!

Heck I think I may just try my hand at it too. XD

Cheers! :)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-02-11 00:42:35 UTC
Nothing 'easy' about that - your strategy sounds like a surefire way to lose a very large amount of ISK very quickly.

There are much more cost-effective ways of doing this.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-02-11 01:37:35 UTC
If you look at the eve-kill history for CONCORD Police Captain you will find that the number of ganks per month has been fairly constant since January 2013. The outlier is Aprils Burn Jita event. So ganking is not on the rise. If it has gotten easier, it certainly hasn't gotten more common.

So show us on the doll where those mean Tornados touched you. A special snowflake like you shouldn't have their pod... I mean gameplay emerged. Surely someone, no one is expecting you to do it, will punish those bad men.

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#4 - 2014-02-11 03:19:49 UTC
with all of the loopholes outloud by code and gm ninjapirate, and some other loopholes so a -10 never has to dock so it doesnt aggro the local navy it is easier and more common now. There are areas when you can go through of highsec with out seeing wrecks of every type of industrial ship and anything thats a shuttle or frigate thats been ganked. With some mission gankers unable to harvest tears by shooting an mtu and getting the owner concordeed they had to go into the SOE mission systems for their revolt. Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing. So yeah it has gotten easier for those that have nothing to lose other than a throw away destroyer. For me i cant gank, i have to much damn sp for that and find helping new players better than trying to run them out of the game.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-11 04:28:26 UTC
Agondray wrote:
with all of the loopholes outloud by code and gm ninjapirate, and some other loopholes so a -10 never has to dock so it doesnt aggro the local navy it is easier and more common now. There are areas when you can go through of highsec with out seeing wrecks of every type of industrial ship and anything thats a shuttle or frigate thats been ganked. With some mission gankers unable to harvest tears by shooting an mtu and getting the owner concordeed they had to go into the SOE mission systems for their revolt. Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing. So yeah it has gotten easier for those that have nothing to lose other than a throw away destroyer. For me i cant gank, i have to much damn sp for that and find helping new players better than trying to run them out of the game.


I'm looking.. trying to find one accurate statement in what you wrote. Its really pretty hard, but I think this is the only one, "Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing." Every other sentence has at least one inaccuracy. Nice work, but go for 100% next time.

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Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-02-11 04:40:14 UTC
So how much were you carrying when you got ganked?

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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#7 - 2014-02-11 09:15:53 UTC
Agondray wrote:
with all of the loopholes outloud by code and gm ninjapirate, and some other loopholes so a -10 never has to dock so it doesnt aggro the local navy it is easier and more common now. There are areas when you can go through of highsec with out seeing wrecks of every type of industrial ship and anything thats a shuttle or frigate thats been ganked. With some mission gankers unable to harvest tears by shooting an mtu and getting the owner concordeed they had to go into the SOE mission systems for their revolt. Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing. So yeah it has gotten easier for those that have nothing to lose other than a throw away destroyer. For me i cant gank, i have to much damn sp for that and find helping new players better than trying to run them out of the game.


Easy solution would be if you're neg-enough to be un-wanted in that space, you shouldn't be able to dock either.

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Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-11 10:17:01 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Easy solution would be if you're neg-enough to be un-wanted in that space, you shouldn't be able to dock either.


I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. First of all, it wouldn't make it difficult at all as there are a number of ways to gank as -10.0 even without the use of stations. Secondly, this would screw over people who aren't high-sec ganking in the first place.

That said, why in the name of sweet **** would you want to make high-sec ganking harder in the first place? There's already been numerous nerfs, the tools gankers have are shoddy at best comparing to a few years back.

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Winchester Steele
#9 - 2014-02-12 01:41:41 UTC
Agondray wrote:
with all of the loopholes outloud by code and gm ninjapirate, and some other loopholes so a -10 never has to dock so it doesnt aggro the local navy it is easier and more common now. There are areas when you can go through of highsec with out seeing wrecks of every type of industrial ship and anything thats a shuttle or frigate thats been ganked. With some mission gankers unable to harvest tears by shooting an mtu and getting the owner concordeed they had to go into the SOE mission systems for their revolt. Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing. So yeah it has gotten easier for those that have nothing to lose other than a throw away destroyer. For me i cant gank, i have to much damn sp for that and find helping new players better than trying to run them out of the game.



Dude? Are we playing the same game?


Do you even Eve bro?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2014-02-12 05:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Agondray wrote:
Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing.
Why is this a bad thing?

If new players want to be pirates, ne'er-do-wells and rapscallions that's just as valid a choice on their part as mining or missioning.

If a newbie asks about the more nefarious activities of Eve and expresses an interest in pursuing it, then they should be given good advice, just as one expressing an interest in manufacturing should be given good advice.

If you look at the questions newbies ask in NCQA regarding the various paths open to them, including both the black and white hat options, you'll often see the responders discussing both the positive and negative sides, in depth, of what the OP requested.

TL;DR A well informed newbie is a better newbie.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2014-02-12 06:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Glyphe Temare wrote:
What the title says, a bunch of 1 month old npc toon alts in nados, choose target, one shot ANY target smaller than a freighter with 100k or even 150k EHP+ alpha, rinse repeat. It's a golden age for ganking! It's even become pretty much pandemic with everyone and their neighboors going at it.

LET'S ALL REJOICE!

Heck I think I may just try my hand at it too. XD

Cheers! :)


You don't even have to stargate mission running battleships, nor does your mission battleship have to enter and exit the mission hub itself (which makes it very hard for gankers to ship scan it to know you run deadspace or officer), and even if you do stargate mission ships AND fly it to the mission hub station there is no reason that a marauder can't leave the hub with 200k passive ehp, and refit off a mobile depot at the encounter (after fighting the first 60 seconds passive fit), and the end of most mission pockets are amenable to having a mobile depot ready to go before you finish.

If you don't show up at the mission hub, nor at the stargate, then people actually have to scan YOU down, and come to you, which means nobody will have a shipscan of what you are fitted with, you'll probably be sitting on a mobile depot anyway, and can refit to ungankable, or you may well be 100km away from the beacon and thus able to leave on people entering your mission pocket (even if you didn't see probes/approach on d-scan). The longer a mission you are in a mission, the deeper you are in, the longer dps ships are on short range scan.

Cargo 10k and less can go in a viator. Cargo that can fit in an orca can be protected by 260k +ehp, freighters should be only be taking the bulk portion of a load. Orcas can MWD/cloak trick too, which means people don't get time to think about it or organise a gang.

Some load profiles may suit the EHP of a jump freighter, or a jump freighter route and jump into low might be actually be safer than the usual chokes in a freighter.

The proteus will also carry a moderate sized load behind absurd EHP with a covops cloak, so even people that fail at undocking mechanisms have an option for carrying valuable stuff (a proteus in motion vs a tornado is never going to take full damage unless its flying directly at them) .

Lastly, its pretty damn hard to actually lock and stop an align fitted ceptor, and they move so fast that people cannot setup in time in front of them.

ie game is full of survival tools, just use them.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#12 - 2014-02-13 15:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
If you look at the eve-kill history for CONCORD Police Captain you will find that the number of ganks per month has been fairly constant since January 2013. The outlier is Aprils Burn Jita event. So ganking is not on the rise. If it has gotten easier, it certainly hasn't gotten more common.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081

it increase by a quite.

I copy/paste it and put average per month for each yea. seem it increase by twice every year since 2011. but doubt it will keep this pace for 2014.

either way, I won't be surprise if average per month will hit 6k for 2014


edited: add this part

either way, it don't answer question if gank is easier or there are more people gank.
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-02-13 15:53:24 UTC
Glyphe Temare wrote:
What the title says, a bunch of 1 month old npc toon alts in nados, choose target, one shot ANY target smaller than a freighter with 100k or even 150k EHP+ alpha, rinse repeat. It's a golden age for ganking! It's even become pretty much pandemic with everyone and their neighboors going at it.

LET'S ALL REJOICE!

Heck I think I may just try my hand at it too. XD

Cheers! :)

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-02-14 18:40:05 UTC
Agondray wrote:
with all of the loopholes outloud by code and gm ninjapirate, and some other loopholes so a -10 never has to dock so it doesnt aggro the local navy it is easier and more common now. There are areas when you can go through of highsec with out seeing wrecks of every type of industrial ship and anything thats a shuttle or frigate thats been ganked. With some mission gankers unable to harvest tears by shooting an mtu and getting the owner concordeed they had to go into the SOE mission systems for their revolt. Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing. So yeah it has gotten easier for those that have nothing to lose other than a throw away destroyer. For me i cant gank, i have to much damn sp for that and find helping new players better than trying to run them out of the game.


How can you have too much sp to gank? I got close to 100 million and I still do it once in a while. Dont even bother to not use my expensive pods when doing it.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#15 - 2014-02-14 18:54:35 UTC
I was wondering the same thing, unless of course after all this time he still hasn't figured out how to make enough isk to afford a medical clone.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Dan Rae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-02-14 22:47:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Agondray wrote:
Im watching brand new people get introduced to ganking and awoxing.
Why is this a bad thing?

If new players want to be pirates, ne'er-do-wells and rapscallions that's just as valid a choice on their part as mining or missioning.

If a newbie asks about the more nefarious activities of Eve and expresses an interest in pursuing it, then they should be given good advice, just as one expressing an interest in manufacturing should be given good advice.

If you look at the questions newbies ask in NCQA regarding the various paths open to them, including both the black and white hat options, you'll often see the responders discussing both the positive and negative sides, in depth, of what the OP requested.

TL;DR A well informed newbie is a better newbie.






Quoted because rapscallion.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-02-14 23:36:19 UTC
unidenify wrote:
either way, it don't answer question if gank is easier or there are more people gank.

actually people say "if this became easier why we don't have more people doing this?"

data you provided shows: people DO ganking 2x more than in previous year.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-02-15 07:39:36 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
unidenify wrote:
either way, it don't answer question if gank is easier or there are more people gank.

actually people say "if this became easier why we don't have more people doing this?"

data you provided shows: people DO ganking 2x more than in previous year.


CCP says otherwise. OP; People have been suicide ganking with 10-hour heroes for many years, so explain to me how a month old chatacter in a tornado has made ganking easier than ever.

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Lucie Devlin
Bloodfriends
#19 - 2014-02-15 17:44:32 UTC
Wait did they bring back the ability for kestrels to fit a cruise missile in standard launchers... I thought that was the golden age of suicide ganking.
NaK'Lin
Seamen Force
#20 - 2014-02-17 03:35:04 UTC
why do people always come with such cost-ineffective ways of ganking, like 10-15 nados for one battleship and stuff.
eeew.

you know it can be done for much less, and your mishin BS isn't the best or all targets.

Then again, worping mishin to mishin in your purple fitted Raven Navy with specific hardeners and a huge EM hole might attract someone's attention.

:)
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