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Module damage - how?
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Vila eNorvic
#1 - 2014-02-10 13:44:30 UTC
Yesterday I suddenly noticed several of my modules taking damage in what was supposed to be a relatively easy Lvl 3 mission.

Both my armour hardeners and my armour repairer were over 50% damaged, two of my drone damage amps and my omni tracking link were at about 25% damage.

I still had about 30% shields and I hadn't overheated anything. I hadn't even touched my repper.

How come?
Kairavi Mrithyakara
#2 - 2014-02-10 13:48:10 UTC
Modules take damage when you're down to hull. You've stated you still had shields left, so were you perhaps taking structure damage during a previous mission?
Vila eNorvic
#3 - 2014-02-10 13:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vila eNorvic
Armour and hull were both 100%.

Edit: No damage of note in any previous mission - but why should affect anything if I undocked at 100% in everything?
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#4 - 2014-02-10 14:06:16 UTC
Did you accidently click on the overheat ?
Vila eNorvic
#5 - 2014-02-10 14:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vila eNorvic
Nope. That was the first thing I checked.

And like I said, I'd had no reason to even touch my repper.

Edit: In any case, accidentally overheating one module might be plausible, but six?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-10 14:33:42 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Nope. That was the first thing I checked.

And like I said, I'd had no reason to even touch my repper.

Edit: In any case, accidentally overheating one module might be plausible, but six?


heat spreads throughout the entire rack
Vila eNorvic
#7 - 2014-02-10 14:41:32 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Nope. That was the first thing I checked.

And like I said, I'd had no reason to even touch my repper.

Edit: In any case, accidentally overheating one module might be plausible, but six?


heat spreads throughout the entire rack

Thanks - I didn't know that, I've never actually used overheat and I'm absolutely certain I didn't use it accidentally on this occasion.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2014-02-10 15:11:50 UTC
The easiest answer is probably the right one, you accidentally and without realising overheated a module.

You probably shift clicked your repper by accident (which turns on overheat) and then turned it off whenever you no longer needed reps/warped to the next pocket. The only thing that throws a slight wrench is that the omni is in a different rack to the rest, so you'd've had to accidentally shift click that module too.
Vila eNorvic
#9 - 2014-02-10 15:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vila eNorvic
kurage87 wrote:
The easiest answer is probably the right one, you accidentally and without realising overheated a module.

You probably shift clicked your repper by accident (which turns on overheat) and then turned it off whenever you no longer needed reps/warped to the next pocket. The only thing that throws a slight wrench is that the omni is in a different rack to the rest, so you'd've had to accidentally shift click that module too.

Nope. Like I said, overheat was the first thing I checked - and just to repeat: I had no cause to even touch my repper.

Edit: Shift click by accident? I can't see how I would shift click at all.
Jeann Valjean
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-10 15:25:08 UTC
[OP words]

Asks question.

Denies all suggestions.

gf.
Vila eNorvic
#11 - 2014-02-10 15:30:55 UTC
Jeann Valjean wrote:
[OP words]

Asks question.

Denies all suggestions.

gf.

Yes, because LIKE I SAID overheat was the first thing I checked.

You can read I suppose?
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2014-02-10 15:57:01 UTC
Do you click on the modules or activate them using the hot keys on the keyboard?
Notorious Fellon
#13 - 2014-02-10 16:21:38 UTC
Did you by chance have one of the new OMNI's fitted?

Wondering if maybe they are borked. Were you on test server or live?

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-10 17:41:59 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Jeann Valjean wrote:
[OP words]

Asks question.

Denies all suggestions.

gf.

Yes, because LIKE I SAID overheat was the first thing I checked.

You can read I suppose?



Then file a bug report. Because there is pretty much no other way to get module damage in your stated scenario.

FWIW I have accidentally overheated via shift because its right next to CTRL which gets used a lot to CTRL click to target.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#15 - 2014-02-10 18:04:47 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Jeann Valjean wrote:
[OP words]

Asks question.

Denies all suggestions.

gf.

Yes, because LIKE I SAID overheat was the first thing I checked.

You can read I suppose?

Yes, because immediately checking overheat prevents any possibility of previously using overheat without realizing. You didn't even know it spreads through the rack, it's still the simplest explanation that you overheated some stuff and didn't realize it, followed by structure damage that you forgot about, followed by purchasing the mods already damaged, followed by a UI bug, followed by big bad bug that viciously attacked your ship and is now forcing you to inflict this thread on the rest of us.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
#16 - 2014-02-10 18:37:16 UTC
When you overheat, even after you turn it off, residual heat remains (shown right under the shield/armor/hull and above the capacitor). That residual heat has a chance to damage modules, even if you are not currently overheating
Vila eNorvic
#17 - 2014-02-11 00:37:20 UTC
Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
Do you click on the modules or activate them using the hot keys on the keyboard?
I click the icons in the HUD.

Notorious Fellon wrote:
Did you by chance have one of the new OMNI's fitted?

Wondering if maybe they are borked. Were you on test server or live?
I was playing live - I don't know anything about new omnis.

Derath Ellecon wrote:
FWIW I have accidentally overheated via shift because its right next to CTRL which gets used a lot to CTRL click to target.
Eh? That would imply that you were trying to target your own modules. What?

In any case, it would be very difficult for me to press shift instead of ctrl because my left-hand shift key is very small, same size as a normal letter key, while ctrl is big, chunky and stands well proud of the front edge of the keyboard - very easy to locate. That and the concave curve of the keyboard make the left shift hard to use even when I want to - I would be more likely to hit ctrl instead of shift rather than vice versa.

hydraSlav wrote:
When you overheat, even after you turn it off, residual heat remains (shown right under the shield/armor/hull and above the capacitor). That residual heat has a chance to damage modules, even if you are not currently overheating
There was no question of having turned overheat on and then off - I turned them all on when I came out of warp and didn't touch them again until the mission was finished. Besides, as you say, there would have been a visual indication, just as there would been visual indication of overheat in operation. There were no such indications.

Maybe I'm showing my ignorance again, but I would have expected overheat damage to accrue gradually, not leap from zero to 55% in an instant.

For the avoidance of doubt, I undocked for this mission in a 100% healthy ship.
Ace Echo
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#18 - 2014-02-11 05:23:50 UTC
Bug it, then. See what they say.

If you can milk it, it's an udder.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-02-11 05:50:08 UTC
to be honest this happened to me once recently... it was probably either an accidental over heat or like in my case a glitch (perma run everything and use buttons to activate modules) however for me it was right after the big patch and hasn't happened since.

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-02-11 06:05:01 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:

Derath Ellecon wrote:
FWIW I have accidentally overheated via shift because its right next to CTRL which gets used a lot to CTRL click to target.
Eh? That would imply that you were trying to target your own modules. What?

In any case, it would be very difficult for me to press shift instead of ctrl because my left-hand shift key is very small, same size as a normal letter key, while ctrl is big, chunky and stands well proud of the front edge of the keyboard - very easy to locate. That and the concave curve of the keyboard make the left shift hard to use even when I want to - I would be more likely to hit ctrl instead of shift rather than vice versa.


Not at all. I've had it happen twice where I was holding down CTRL and clicked to target. Then clicke my weapons. In reality I had both CTRL and shift pressed (I caught the corner of the shift key). BAM i just overheated my guns.


Vila eNorvic wrote:
Maybe I'm showing my ignorance again, but I would have expected overheat damage to accrue gradually, not leap from zero to 55% in an instant.


If you don't know how heat works I am going to go out on a limb and guess you don't have thermodynamics trained very high. Heat damage happens very quickly, especially for some modules. Even with good skills you may only get maybe 60 seconds of heat before you burn out some modules. So at low skill you could easily accrue lots of heat damage in a very short time.
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