Missions & Complexes

Im a very new player, but to me, this seems a good change, aimed at fixing a pretty inconsistent buglike and exploitative tasting "resetting" of the expedition timer. (Not to mention some apparent farm potential that I dont understand, but has been mentiined in this thread, which is just flat out terrible exploitatiin of broken mechanics)

From my new player perspective, and overall from the flavor of "do or be damned, or be damned while doing" nature of EVE, I like it.

I still soil my pants going on low sec expedition stages. And rightly so.

Either do the expedition within the time constraints set, or lose them.
Everything else is QQ and whine, and frankly, unbecoming of an EVE player, even as I perceive this game as a new one.

If I may be so bold as a noob, and Im probably not the first, but I sayeth onto ye:
Do em, or lose em!

Frankly, Im more than a little surprised and even ashamed to read such venerable Vets complaining about something that is so obviously implemented to return some hard deadlines and hard edge to EVE, for which it is famous.

What does however, concern me, is that Ive done about 5 Lookouts without a single Commander or escalation.
But again, that is from me, only so much QQ and whine. And Ill simply deal with it, till I get one.
After 10, I might be more vocal, but primarilly Ill just stop doing them instead, and focus on other potentiql instead, of which there is no end in EVE.

Exactly this.

The ability to reset escalations allowed players with time constraints to move things around enough so thing fit for them, and it allowed for "hostile space" adventures (almost no one is going to go into russian space during russian prime time, for example).

If there was a prblem with that, CCP should have told us about it and let us comment before fixing it. That way at least we could have told them "hey, if you're taking this away, up the timer to 48 hours to give us some flexibility".

Now the guy who only really plays on the weekend that gets an escalation sunday afternoon (right before being forced off the game to go to lunch with in-laws that hate him) that he can't do will be sitting at work monday cursing CCPs name as his chance for loot expires lol.

Geez people are always too darn literal. No it's not the same. But the only point of this was that many things in EVE have timers. that is specifically because CCP recognizes that people have lives and it gives them a chance to respond.


As far as escalations, maybe 24 hours would be enough depending on circumstances. Part of the issue is that they are so very rare that then to only get 24 hours to complete them is kind of a slap in the face.

Given 0.0 specifically, it can be much more time consuming to move a combat ship thru potentially hostile space than in HS or even LS. It can take sometimes hours to move what would be minutes in HS.

Add to that the fun that can occur when you get there. I've literally spent hours cloaked up at a safe in a non covert ship (like an ishtar) while being camped in a hostile system. Unable to get through a gate and unable to safely log off.

Add to that the time to actually run the escalation, which may be a hard one that takes a good bit of time.


Put that all together and you run into a situation where even if you have the time to immediately go for the escalation, you could run short on time, or run out altogether.

Bottom line, having 24 hours to get to the escalation, and then 24 hours to complete it once you warp to it wouldn't be game breaking and would be in line with many other aspects of EVE

I like the change. Exploration has become too easy. This change makes it a tiny bit harder.

I don't like the stealth nature of the change. Stealth changes are always a bad idea (mainly because they feed people's paranoia about other stealth changes).

CCP has made a number of changes recently that make exploration much much easier (and changes years ago as well, but let's not go back that far). Just the addition of mobile depots more than offsets this nerf to the escalation timer reset mechanic. It really is trivially easy to travel, even through hostile space to get to your escalations. You don't even need to plan for timezones, or the timezones of hostiles, since you can just cruise through in a cloaky, nullified, nano-fit T3, then refit to your plex fit when you get there. Being able to scan the overseer then wait until after downtime to try to get better loot was a bullshit exploit (which you can still do, but only once).

The Overseer could have easily been made immune to scanning.
Not everyone has a Mobile Depot nor wants to use one.
Traveling through hostile space is always risky business, especially if hostile ships give chase.
Completing the last stage of an expedition in hostile space with lot's of hostile ships active within the system is a very good reason to keep the warp in 24 hr reset.



DMC

I highly doubt a lot of people would scan the Overseer, wait for DT, scan the Overseer again, wait another DT, scan again, etc, up to 7 days. I never bothered with it since I wanted to complete the site asap in order to get out of the system and do more probing.

Definitely wasn't enough people scanning the Overseer to warrant an excessive game mechanic change such as this. Besides that, CCP could have easily just made all Commander and Overseer NPC's immune to scanning.

No, I think this change is aimed more at players being cloaked in system waiting for local to clear out in order to run the site relatively safe.

Yeah, this is simply another change by CCP to provide more gank targets. Explorers are now being rushed to complete escalation sites instead of being able to do it when conditions are more favorable.


DMC

everyone i talked to would routinely do it for every single escalation they got. And i see no reason to not do it when the difference in many cases can be quite huge.

whether you scan the overseer depends a lot on how fast you can access it. If I got a DED 9/10 part 3, or a serpentis 10/10 for example, and the location was safely accessible, I would definitely scan the heck out of it each day. I can see perhaps why CCP would want to nerf this for DED escalations from anomalies. Firstly because people running anomalies have safe space, secondly because they're running them anyway and en masse, third because these DED escalations from anomalies are only one jump, and lastly because of this farming business.

What I don't like is how this affects escalations from unrated complexes. Such escalations have multiple stages, you only get one chance at the escalation from the base site, rather than sitting around your safe ratting system. The escalations have a chance to fail. Finally, the escalations from unrated sites are much more difficult than the DED escalations you get from anomalies. And the rewards are lower anyway, because there is no OPE. I don't feel this change could come from someone who has their finger on the pulse of the exploration community.

Also the base sites themselves have lower rewards and are often more difficult than comparable DED sites.

Point is not only about 24 hours and because there are people who try to scan and exploit needs to be changed. If that was the reason, people in eve use the modules just in the opposite way ccp intends to be applied.

They plan some modules or things in one direction, and players use them in the opposite way. Take a look on the microjumpdrive objective, and then, check whats the main use: RUN.

The point is, this change was not announced, was not on bug reports and was not on patch notes. Now its really bugged: Site despawning JUST at 24h, even if you are inside doing it, ist not the way they want to doit anyway. But *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. didnt though about reseting or simply, not despawning until the player leaves FROM INSIDE THE DED PLEX, or DT, what first occurs. Then, before any bright mind say "that is a max +24h to the initial timer", yes, it is, if you want to stay +20 hours doing nothing inside a ded plex for nothing else than waiting his proper despawn.... Useless. Maybe the reset could be not warping to the first gate. Could be warping and enter A gate where are alive npcs on the other side. Dont know. But there are imaginative solutions for this change, that keep the spirit of limited time to do an expedition, but not fixing a 24h timer from drop to despawn, without the proper check if you still inside.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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