Market Discussions

So, a pretty big nerf to drone assisting has just been announced here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319278

This is more than likely going to result in a change in fleet doctrines. How do you think the prices of Ishtars, Dominix's and Archons will change? Post your thoughts here!

Also, due to the fact that a change in fleet doctrine of some big alliances could occur, it's probably a good time to start speculating, as an increase in demand will result in an increase in price (theoretically any way). Again, post your thoughts on what could be the next big fleet doctrine here!

Personally, I think that Dominix's have just been gutted for large fleet PvP and will have to be scrapped as a doctrine. Possibly a noticable price drop inbound.

Hull repping drones have also been announced:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=317033

feel free to discuss those in this thread as well (will demand be as high? Higher? It's possible!)

Speculate!

Toughts fo someone that never used the clearly. Dominixes are still the most powerful fleet battleship.. by MILES!!!

Perhaps you didn't read the thread. It says somewhere that Dominix's currently dish out 5x more dps than the second favorite PvP ship in the game. They said that if this number doesn't decrease, they will have failed to nerf it and will try something else.

The "nerf" shows that CCP has 0 grasp on things.

This nerf is not going to change a lot. People will still field Archons because they simply do not die, and for the brain-afk Domi fleets: they just assign everything to their Squad Commander meaning you now need 25 persons with a brain instead of 1, which should still be a favourable percentage in a fleet size of 250.

Workaround to make Archons brainless as well would be to have 2 ppl in each squad that get assist and so you need 50 people focusing on targets while 200 still do nothing except watching reps or browsing fukung.

Good job CCP, I expected something way more clever.

Hell they could have even given Blackops a Smartbomb 50km bonus against drones only or similar.

Or trying to provoke someone else to react to a change that they have put no thought into and reaping the rewards.

It doesn't matter, all mass produced / used goods (especially ships) will have their price hover around 4-10% of production costs, no matter what the demand is. It might fluctuate in the short term, but in the long term the statement above is always right (extreme cases like CCP changing mineral compositions need not apply).

They could make the domi have a mining bonus instead of the drone bonus and the price is still going to be the production costs + 4%-10% (or something similar).

The uneducated assumption is when demand changes the supply is going to stay constant, but that isn't true. In the event of a perfectly elastic supply (which ship production fits perfectly) the equilibrium price is production costs + a few basis points as profit.

What you should be speculating on, if anything, is minerals and tech 2 components demand and supply and their equilibrium price (much easier said than done), all other produced things (on the micro scale) ultimately derive their value from that and nothing else.

Teaching you the things they never did in business school.

There was a clear short-term inflation of drone-related merchandise due to the war and the fact that sentries were stupidly OP. It's likely that there will continue to be moderate demand for drones and drone paraphenalia, but there is currently a significant stockpile of them in the hangars of various null alliances. As such I've sold all of mine (only ~1b worth), with an eye to rebuying at a time when supply still exceeds demand but the price memory has faded.

Maybe you want to reread what CCP Rise said about Domis. He didn't say, what you think he said:

And the impact of the changes to drone assisst is probably overrated. Under heavy TiDi drone assist had issues anyway.

No, that's what I think he said. Maybe I just said it awfully. (They don't have 5x the dps they're used 5x as often). This number is trying to be decreased by CCP though, so the Dominix market/ drone market will likely change from this. Maybe they just won't be sold as often

What drone "paraphernalia" (really?) are way down?

Drones mods prices are the same, drone prices are the same, and drone hull prices are the same (increasing actually). Don't fabricate data to prove your imaginary point. It is already explained above, it doesn't matter what the demand or supply, or how effective the hull is, the only thing affecting the price of a perfectly elastic supplied (google it) good is the cost of those minerals. I am extremely annoyed with people that think they understand economics because they looked at a couple of spreadsheets, and infect other people with their nonsense.

And this is completely unrelated but you can still insta pop dictors, just instead of 30 domins you are going to need 50. The omnidirectional change is more significant in small gang warfare, but in nullsec (the bulk of the demand) where alpha is king and most big fights are in tidi, the drone assist change is more significant. Anyways those things don't matter if you want to speculate on price.

And why am I a little harsh? Because amateur self proclaimed "marketeers" that think they understand a complicated field like economics should be put out as fast as possible, like rabid dogs. And using big words doesn't make you sound smarter, just pretentious (I wait for any opportunity to use this word :P).