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Having some problems fitting my HAC

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Actaeon Versaea
#1 - 2014-02-07 21:28:31 UTC
I once read that a decent cruiser should be able to put out at least 300DPS, And have to agree, given that a BS fit can concevably put out 1000 DPS.


However, my Sacrilidge dose somewhat less than that, odd for a combat cruiser; So I checked my fitting:

5x HAM Launchers, Khanid Navy Issue If I'm feeling rich, otherwise Arbys.
1x Probe launcher, Core

3x Cap. Rechargers, Khanid Issue if feeling rich, otherwise anything I can get my hands on
1x 10MN Afterburner, Meta 4.

4x Assorted Khanid Navy Armour Harders,
1x Khanid Medium Reparir unit.


EFT suggests that this would only output ~270DPS with Full V skills.


What am I doing wrong, please?

Fred P
Carebears of New Eden
#2 - 2014-02-07 21:35:24 UTC
You are not using ballistic control units
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-02-07 21:57:45 UTC
Fred P wrote:
You are not using ballistic control units


This.

Also, t2 missiles add a lot. Where guns tend to prefer faction shortrange ammo over t2, missiles are often better with the high-damage t2 ammo, and beefing up on application skills/rigs/modules to compensate. This is particularly true with HAMs. Rage + Web is very effective.

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Furnace
#4 - 2014-02-07 22:06:44 UTC
Khanid Navy mods are so rarely seen that you'll pay exuberant prices for even the simplest mods. If you MUST use faction, use Imperial Navy/Caldari Navy or any of the other assorted common faction mods

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2014-02-07 22:24:45 UTC
having access to t2 and/or faction ammo should help a bunch. also some damage mods. and as said there are multiple factions that have similar (if not the same) stats so look for other options, as the volume (and thus price) will be more in your favor.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-02-07 22:42:54 UTC
Fred P wrote:
You are not using ballistic control units

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-02-07 22:43:46 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Khanid Navy mods are so rarely seen that you'll pay exuberant prices for even the simplest mods. If you MUST use faction, use Imperial Navy/Caldari Navy or any of the other assorted common faction mods


I'm inferring that the OP runs Khanid missions, for whatever reasons best known to himself.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-02-07 23:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
Never played much with a Sacrilege but try something like this.
Your fit is ridiculously tanked.
If not cap stable, replace a painter by cap recharger

[Sacrilege, HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

Hobgoblin II x5


591 theorical dps with all 5.
Effective damage application is another story.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#9 - 2014-02-08 00:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Odithia wrote:
-snip-


Drop that rigor to T1, you are over in calibration.

Here is what an optimal HS mission sac looks like.

[Sacrilege, A sacrilege for Sacrilege]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
10MN Afterburner II

Small Tractor Beam II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Valkyrie II x5

841DPS from valks and rage HAMs cold, 300 HP/s angel permatank. Using the sac against angels is a very good choice, both due to the native T2 resists and the ability to apply pure HAM explo damage without range problems (since angels tend to get close fast). More here.

If you don't want to pay for the faction BCs, you can either drop the DDA for a nano or the tractor and rigor for an auto-targeter and solidifier respectively.

If you are still set on armor tanking the hull for missions, use something like this:

[Sacrilege, Angel Tank]

Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Stasis Webifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Valkyrie II x5
Actaeon Versaea
#10 - 2014-02-08 01:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Actaeon Versaea
Quote:
I'm inferring that the OP runs Khanid missions, for whatever reasons best known to himself.


Aye, I do the missions purley for the LP to fit the Sacrilidge. Otherwise It's lowsec combat sites. Also in the vain hope there will one day be Khanid Faction ships. Sad
Actaeon Versaea
#11 - 2014-02-08 01:09:45 UTC


Thanks fo the help. So Far I've come up with this, not being willing to trade off too much tank (Damnation, One day), as I do alot of work against 0.1 sec BS rats

Khanid Ballistic Control System
Khanid EM Hardener x2
Khanid Thermic Hardner Can change hardeners to suit enemy
Khanid Repairer

Khanid Cap Recharger x2
Khanid 10MN AB.
Khanid Status Web

Khanid HAMs x5, Caldari navy Chargers
Scan Probe Launcher I

Missile Rate of Fire rig
Missile Damage Rig.

~350 Paper DPS, up too ~425 If I convinced myself to use HAM IIs instead of Khanid ( I like glowing blue lights, and black things. So? Cool )
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#12 - 2014-02-08 01:11:10 UTC
[Sacrilege, New Setup 1]
Khanid Navy Ballistic Control System
Khanid Navy Ballistic Control System
Khanid Navy Ballistic Control System
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Armor Repairer II

100MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II

Hammerhead II x5

824 dps before imps and heat. I used something similar for plexing and low sec annos.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

Actaeon Versaea
#13 - 2014-02-08 06:12:13 UTC
Odithia wrote:

Your fit is ridiculously tanked.
.


You should see my Damnation fit. it has 93%+ resists across the board.. I would try it at PvP if it wasn't valued at ~2.5 Billion ISK.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2014-02-08 06:55:00 UTC
Actaeon Versaea wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Your fit is ridiculously tanked.
.


You should see my Damnation fit. it has 93%+ resists across the board.. I would try it at PvP if it wasn't valued at ~2.5 Billion ISK.

Is it an active tank or buffer?
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#15 - 2014-02-08 08:00:38 UTC
At one point in time i lived in khanid low sec and ran missions there. Basiscally after sitting on a few million lp i cashed it all out in implants and never looked back.

You look like you want to blitz them as quickly as possible.
Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#16 - 2014-02-08 15:44:37 UTC
Actaeon Versaea wrote:
Quote:
I'm inferring that the OP runs Khanid missions, for whatever reasons best known to himself.


Aye, I do the missions purley for the LP to fit the Sacrilidge. Otherwise It's lowsec combat sites. Also in the vain hope there will one day be Khanid Faction ships. Sad


your flying one right now. Just because it has the stamp t2 doesn't make it any less khanid.

I am flying a malediction!!!

/zooms away

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Actaeon Versaea
#17 - 2014-02-08 20:27:18 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Actaeon Versaea wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Your fit is ridiculously tanked.
.


You should see my Damnation fit. it has 93%+ resists across the board.. I would try it at PvP if it wasn't valued at ~2.5 Billion ISK.

Is it an active tank or buffer?


Active, with duel repairers.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#18 - 2014-02-09 02:17:35 UTC
That's pretty cool, does it work well for missions? I'm thinking of getting one for Angels, could you post your fit?
Actaeon Versaea
#19 - 2014-02-09 03:12:40 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
That's pretty cool, does it work well for missions? I'm thinking of getting one for Angels, could you post your fit?


With the amount of thank it has, It can do any mission, I think - Not the fastest ship for them, with low DPS, but can sit under heavy fire forever....


Damnation, Bling Boat
Warning: Low DPS[/b

High
Your Favorite Heavy Assault Missile launcher
Your Favorite Heavy Assault Missile launcher
Your Favorite Heavy Assault Missile launcher
Your Favorite Heavy Assault Missile launcher
Your Favorite Heavy Assault Missile launcher
Scan Probe Launcher
Spare High Slot

Mid
Khanid Navy Cap. Recharger
Khanid Navy Cap. Recharger
Khanid Navy Cap. Recharger
Khanid Navy Cap. Recharger

Low
Corpum A Type Medium Armour Repairer
Corpum A Type Medium Armour Repairer
Core X Type EM Hardener
Core X Type Thermal Hardener
Core X Type Kineric Hardener
Core X Type Explosive Hardener

[b]Rigging

Capacitor Control Circuit II
Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Your Favourite Drones.


1115 Sustained DPS Tank
391 DPS without Drones/Implants,
Cap Stable at 51%
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#20 - 2014-02-09 07:23:41 UTC
It's a bit out of my price range, but thanks for the fit lol.
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