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A question for Null alliance players.
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Syd Vixious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-07 23:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Syd Vixious
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?

Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-02-07 23:23:43 UTC
/popcorn

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#3 - 2014-02-07 23:23:44 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?

Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished to qualify thing.


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Milz0r
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2014-02-07 23:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Milz0r
It depends on what alliance you want to join. The higher profile alliances who have a reputation will generally have higher standards to meet.

Usually, they expect a minimum member count of at least 50-100 and you would probably be required to participate on a lot of PVP and have a history of it to show via the eve-kill killboard.

I hope this is helpful.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-02-07 23:26:57 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?


Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush.

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Syd Vixious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-07 23:29:35 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?


Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush.


We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?
Milz0r
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2014-02-07 23:32:29 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?


Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush.


We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?



PVP participation and decent numbers on Alliance ops.
Mario Putzo
#8 - 2014-02-07 23:39:03 UTC
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#9 - 2014-02-07 23:48:08 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?


Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush.


We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?


Organization
Dedication
Teamwork
Be active in your time zone(s)

That's what decent alliances look for no matter if they are PvP or 0.0 industry/mining.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-07 23:54:16 UTC
A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST

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Syd Vixious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-07 23:58:55 UTC
Milz0r wrote:
Syd Vixious wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?


Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush.


We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?



PVP participation and decent numbers on Alliance ops.



How do you get in on alliance ops? PVP participation isn't a problem. Do alliances extend into high/lowsec for newer pilots, or should we move to null and try it there?

I figure "when we're ready" isn't really good enough, as no-one will ever decide they are ready. Myself, i was like "when i can replace" was my goal for nullsec. Well, i can do that now. I'd, frankly, like to move to the real game.

Andski wrote:
A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST


That's an achievable goal. Thanks for the input. I'll pass it along pronto.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2014-02-08 00:01:19 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?

Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.


For living in null the easy shortcut is to rent. The hard way is to grind a pvp corp together in NPC null until you have burned any carebears out of your organization and become annoyingly relevant and painful to nearby entities.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-02-08 00:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Syd Vixious wrote:
How do you get in on alliance ops? PVP participation isn't a problem. Do alliances extend into high/lowsec for newer pilots, or should we move to null and try it there?

I figure "when we're ready" isn't really good enough, as no-one will ever decide they are ready. Myself, i was like "when i can replace" was my goal for nullsec. Well, i can do that now. I'd, frankly, like to move to the real game.


Name an alliance that you'd like to see your corp in, say by this date 2015. If it's the likes of PL or NCdot, you'd need a solid reputation and a strong backbone of self-sufficient high-skillpoint pilots who can all fly their own carriers. If it's like Goonswarm or RAZOR, you'd need a long history of working with that alliance (basically, don't consider the alliances leading the blocs as options) And in any halfway respectable alliance you join, you'd have to be able to stomach the idea that the autocrats are in charge, especially in times of war, and that your role in the alliance as a corp CEO is that of a stakeholder/advisor, if even that.

Syd Vixious wrote:
That's an achievable goal. Thanks for the input. I'll pass it along pronto.


Being a highly mobile corp goes a long way, yes. If you can be in NPC Delve, for example, and are able to schedule a move op that can get your dudes and their ships to another region in a short amount of time, that is definitely a plus as you aren't dead weight.

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Buck Badger
Aliastra
#14 - 2014-02-08 00:30:25 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?

Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.

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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-08 00:36:10 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?

Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.


You start somewhere small, even a renter alliance, then get in on fights.
Once your corp gets a reputation for competent pvp, you'll have new options.

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Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-02-08 00:36:40 UTC
What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing?

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Syd Vixious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-02-08 00:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Syd Vixious
Singoth wrote:
What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing?


They are where i want to be. That's one clue. I don't mind hisec or lowsec, that has it's place. I just want out of there.

If they are where i want to be and i'm not, then pretty obviously they know something i don't.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-02-08 00:59:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST


The only reason you don't like corps that only add line members is because it's more PAP links you have to go through.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#19 - 2014-02-08 01:25:29 UTC
Syd Vixious wrote:
Singoth wrote:
What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing?


They are where i want to be. That's one clue. I don't mind hisec or lowsec, that has it's place. I just want out of there.

If they are where i want to be and i'm not, then pretty obviously they know something i don't.


Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW.

other than that, I'd echo Andski. Bring competent FCs, and know how to manage logistics well, including things like forums, comms and other out of game methods of keeping membership on track.

FW might give you a chance to build those things on a smaller scale. Not a bad idea to spend time in NPC null either. The difference between null and low is more than just dictor bubbles and bombs.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-02-08 01:30:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alduin666 Shikkoken
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