Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, I'm no Carebear by your definition because I do stuff in Lolsec?

WHAT THE HELL?!

I'm the most fluffy carebear EvE has ever seen :(

I almost never have CTA's or get camped into anywhere. I have lived in several regions now and your concept of what happens in null is at best woefully incomplete and at worst flat out wrong. Both null and low sec play have huge variety in what you can do and a large number of diverse player groups catering to all gameplay options. Almost all have a RL must come 1st policy.

Nah he was correct.
Having concord in low sec will eliminate a huge amount of the pvp that occurs there. As eve is a PVP game and a lot of people living in low like to PVP this is an appalling plan.
The gate guns are bad enough but at least make sense. having FW plex farmers guarded by concord too is just too horrible to contemplate (people often hunt these guys in t1 frigs due to the mechanics of novice sites even a vastly less powerful concord will have no issue with a solo t1 frig that agressed another t1 frig.)
I think you need to experience the various gameplay options in lowsec before you try and "fix" anything.

I have in fact experienced low sec and null sec. And it is very absolute to say that implementing such a change would eliminate a lot of PVP. Again, in no means do I wish to eliminate either riskaversion or PVP. Bare in mind that numbers are scalable to insane amounts, including the size and/or price and/or EHP and/or firepower of the agressing ship. In 0.1 sec a T1 frigate agressing may not even trigger a response because CONCORD considers it to be trivial.

It all has to do about how you implement it. But if there is a better idea you can come up with, by all means, I'm more than open to suggestions. The awesomeness about a scalable security curve is that you can dynamically scale it with patches. You can even have different ship hulls invoke different responses. For example a battleship fielding only civilian gatling guns (and thus having a very low DPS) will not be considered a real threat by CONCORD and they will maybe send a cruiser-equivalant in 0.4 sec. However an officer fitted Vindicator will trigger a battleship to come and join in 0.3.

It's all about number scaling, you can even do that the CONCORD response has a certain percentage of the agressor's DPS and EHP depending on sec status.

Actually, that is your opinion of what the whole point of space is, objectively this cannot be verified. If that is your opinion that is fine by me, but remember this is neither "the point" nor the truth. However if you think that that will make EVE a better game, how would you go about changing the system then to suit your needs? Or is the system in your opinion perfect?

And actually, I am asking for a more sensible security curve. The binairy nature of the one we have now is neither logical nor stimulating.

CONCORD is a terrible horrible game mechanic that was put in as a hasty patch a decade ago, and rather than expanding this bad idea, we should be looking for ways to phase it out and replace it with concepts that aren't arbitrary, anti-immersive and anti-sandbox.

All EvE accounts are able to hold three characters.

One for High, one for Low and one for Null...

So the high sec people don't need to move to Low/Null. They are already there wtih their other characters.

You are the embodiment of what is wrong with the forums. The reason why people don't get anywhere. You'd rather spend your time calling people idiots than try and improve things. Your understanding of what I said and why I said it is limited at best, I never called for a personal police force protecting everything and everyone. I did post that previous thread, I learned from the comments that people presented in it and as such went on with my life and had a counterproposal.

Learning from people's comments, taking them into account and growing out of it is how people, games and communities grow. You on the other hand would rather spend your time telling people to stop trying. You are telling me to stop posting because of what you call ignorance, I call it a different view. However if I truly am so ignorant, why not keep posting, why not see what the community thinks of my ideas and adjust my view of EVE from there? Why would I not stick my neck out, deal with people like you and be rewarded with a deeper understanding of how people think of EVE and ideas like this?

I am trying to get myself and the game somewhere. People like me try and discuss ideas to try and make the game better, we are not trying to tell anyone how space should be, we are not telling anyone that things should be the way we want them to be. We are simply saying things should improve, and the only way to improve is by thinking and debating as a community.

People like you exist solely to call everyone stupid, idiotic or otherwise ignorant. Your contribution to the game is neither constructive nor helpful. I am also convinced you merely skim over the first post, draw the most extreme conclusions you can and post from there. If you tried reading it all, regardless if you agree with the idea or not, you'd see me, and probably many others like me, aren't trying to make EVE a friendly cuddly place where CONCORD comes to our rescue the moment our shields drop below 10%. We're simply trying to help the game evolve by providing an open debate about what could be done to improve it.


Now please, stop disrupting people whom are merely trying to improve, stop sketching them as forces who think their way is the only way, because that statement reflects more upon you than it does on me.

No I think what Malcanis means (feel free to correct me if my assumptions are wrong) is that a CONCORD-like mechanic is definitely nessecary. But CONCORD is just a stupid way of doing it. I agree with him that it is a bit strange for agents to issue missions because pirates are getting out of hand whilst the moment you attack someone in their mission space CONCORD can instant-kill you.

It's just generally an immersion breaking mechanic, how is CONCORD so strong yet can't handle their own missions? I agree I would prefer an alternative to CONCORD, something that isn't quite so "WTF". Maybe that capsuleer-grade ships should all have a self-destruct chip that CONCORD can activate remotely, but the signal takes more time to reach the capsuleer when they are further from 1.0 space.

Anyway something that doesn't quite have the "how does this even work" factor that CONCORD has.