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My first 10 days in null sec

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#41 - 2014-02-06 00:29:28 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
does anyone have anything useful or friendly to say or are everyone just going to keep bashing on me?


Sometimes bashing on you is both helpful and friendly. People learn more from their mistakes, and only your mother and your girlfriend will cuddle you.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-02-06 00:38:35 UTC
I'm pretty sure I told you to stop joining garbage corps in some previous thread, but I just threw "The Kadeshi" into GIS and it came up with a picture of rosie odonnel and some poop.

Hope this helps.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#43 - 2014-02-06 00:55:30 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
So I finally moved after a lot of suggestions to null sec to see what it was like and how you could make so much ISK there

I join up the night before B-R5RB happens and within days the entire area is fleeing to the north to escape CFC and RUS so my run of bad luck in corps might be turning into a curse.

I've discovered my 600m ISK tengu can't do the local anomalies and so I'm stuck with 13m ISK an hour belt ratting. And most of the exploration sites are beyond my skills, both in terms of the combat ones and the data/relic ones.

been forced to move away from the caldari ship branch towards armour tanked gallente and amarr ships, still with about 52 days before I can fly the alliance main doctrine.

Lost above 600m ISK tengu to a gate camp and my 50m ISK pod to a bubble camp and more generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.

deal with a crappy local market and having to move stuff around via courier jump freighter from high sec


But in general I feel pretty much surplus to events and rather lost.

Is this what's most people's first 10 days in null sec are like or have I just had very bad luck?


I've lived in null for more than 5 months now, and I have lost no ships.

I struggle to believe that the tengu can't do your local anomalies, it can after all fire the right damage type and EM shield hardeners are in fact a thing that can in fact be bought, and it does in fact have a very small signature for the scale of damage it can deliver and it has no need to stand still so it should avoid a great deal of damage anyway. It may not be the optimal ship, but it should suffice.

Also I use my T3 for lots of hauling of stuff, and running of escalations and could only possibly imagine losing it to an established gatecamp that would likely show up as "kills" and "pilots in space" on the EVE map, which means I'm not very likely to fly into it.

Also if one needs to move a T3, one should either move it to from stations where you can dock and fit / unfit covops/nullifer, or a pos, or failing all of that, bring a mobile depot to refit at destination, or check ones alliance jump bridge map where it may be possible to avoid dangerous areas.

ie granted right now you've joined a more difficult area of null than I live in, but by the same token it takes effort to actually lose a T3.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#44 - 2014-02-06 01:14:44 UTC
Tauranon wrote:


I've lived in null for more than 5 months now, and I have lost no ships.



It helps if you undock...

Last month I lost 15 ships. But I caused over 50 ppl to lose their ships :)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-02-06 01:25:07 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


There is no anomaly a Tengu can't solo (even in blood/sansha space where you have to use unbonused missiles). Even in Drone space a Tengu will work (even if it's nto the best). There is no way a tengu should have died in a gate camp (did you fit right, have cloak and nullified subs etc?). Is there a single other human being in your corp?


my dps was 433dps and my active shield tank ran out in 4 minutes so often I had to warp out, dock up and recharge then come back and continue the fight. Could do 500dps with faction ammo buts that hard to get out in null sec.


.........must be trolling.
Mario Putzo
#46 - 2014-02-06 01:28:15 UTC
Null sucks. Live in Lowsec, turn blinky, set everyone red and play the game.

Honestly leaving highsec for nullsec was the best choice I made, until I left nullsec for lowsec. For as much as low sec sucks it is the single best place in space. Can make quick money in exploration Easy Peasy, make decent money doing plexes Easy Peasy, can get PVP action anytime you want usually within 5 jumps, Easy Peasy. No Tidi, no blobs. FW, Pos/Poco Wars, Cap fights without gay **** like Titans and Super Carriers, and you can be killed anytime you are out in space. Especially if you go blinky.

Low Sec is #1

Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-02-06 02:08:04 UTC
You should read you corp and alliance bulletins before doing anything. Also you alliance or corp forum should have all the info you need like intel channels or best ships to use to rat. Unless you are high sp, there will always be a new ship to train for doctrines. Focus on one at a time and you will eventually cover something. Also the corp that recruited you should of interviewed you and that would of been a good time to ask questions before diving in.

Since you already dived in, someone in corp should be able to answer questions for you. Again though, most the info you need should be on bulletins or in your forums. Also all market needs should be taken care of via jf service. If your corp has neither bulletins or forums then they are fail but i highly doubt that is the case. Also ratting during a war shouldn't of been your main concern. Get your pvp knowledge and situation fixed first.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#48 - 2014-02-06 04:51:33 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
generally been annoyed by people leaving bubbles at gates for no reason.


Your tears are reason enough.
Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-02-06 06:36:50 UTC
Ouch. For my first ten days I'm going to be flying destroyers and frigates, maybe day ten I'll fly a cruiser. I fully expect to be podded back to high sec, hopefully I'll get a kill or two (unlikely) but I'll learn and be better prepared for the next one. Who knows maybe I'll find a good corp!
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#50 - 2014-02-06 06:45:43 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
there are sooo many.

Kane likes Paul too: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266942


I remember that one. That was great.

I think Paul will be fine. He just has to keep at it.


I wholeheartedly agree. Learning Eve is tough, and being new to nullsec can also be quite tough. Over the years I've seen a lot of new players transition to nullsec. Some do it more gracefully than others, and some make more mistakes along the way.

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Never forget.
Honrado deQuiros
Cartella Shipments and Storage
#51 - 2014-02-06 08:46:04 UTC
Quote:

This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness.

That said, dipping your toe into low/null sec is probably best not done in an expensive ship with expensive implants. The old EVE saying goes "Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose".


Quote:
As an extension of the monkey sh|t fight that happens in-game, the EVEO forums are simply a mirror of the derping, trolling, ganking, CCP-taint-licking, retards, pirates and naer-do-wells found in game.

In short, you got forum ganked. Cloak up and just lurk, fit a thicker tank, or gank someone else and share the love.


Believe it or not, some of the usual trolls of GD have posted really helpful information for others here in the forums, and in a polite way too.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#52 - 2014-02-06 09:35:55 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21738620

this is the kill when it got blown up as I was moving stuff away from base. Replace the cloak and nullifier subsystems with the accelerated ejection subsystem and a fuel catalyst. Add on an extra ballistic system and another launcher


what about some stabs for travelling?

unless you get RL-aggro (see my tengu-loss... you should not go afk while travelling, not even for a short while, but kids just don't learn it...) you should be fine then I think.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-02-06 11:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
This clown is an enormus whiner. In another thread he actually said

"Tech 2 should just be removed from the game, it does nothing by penalise newer players."

What a complete dope. Lets remove T2 because this whiner can't use them? And they are good for "nothing" except to penalse new players. What a useless, selfish immature person. Here's an idea. Biomass yourself and take up knitting...
Good Posting
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-02-06 11:30:45 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Null sucks. Live in Lowsec, turn blinky, set everyone red and play the game.

Honestly leaving highsec for nullsec was the best choice I made, until I left nullsec for lowsec. For as much as low sec sucks it is the single best place in space. Can make quick money in exploration Easy Peasy, make decent money doing plexes Easy Peasy, can get PVP action anytime you want usually within 5 jumps, Easy Peasy. No Tidi, no blobs. FW, Pos/Poco Wars, Cap fights without gay **** like Titans and Super Carriers, and you can be killed anytime you are out in space. Especially if you go blinky.

Low Sec is #1



I have to agree. I recently moved from npc null sec to low sec and i'm ejoying it. I lived in wspace too and i liked it but honestly, i like the local chat. Instant intel that keeps me safe without having to spam dscan every second.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#55 - 2014-02-06 12:37:46 UTC
Paul,

I sympathise with you a little here. Seems you have been dumped into Null at a rather bad time. Tenerifis is about to get steamrolled and there will be fewer ratting opportunities where we're going. We're part of the same block and our alliance brings a lot of new players into Nullsec.

If you want help and want to learn from your mistakes i invite you to drop me an in game mail, and I'll do my best to help you. If you want to whine and complain about how everything is unfair and always somebody elses fault then dont.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Tia
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-02-06 15:03:00 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Your Dad Naked wrote:
Paul Otichodo,

If I were you, I'd biomass your character and start new. Then proceed to not make posts like this on your main account. The way this forum works, you've done yourself no favors making complain posts especially about failing, dying and worst yet: Flying 600m ISK fits.

Seriously, that gate camp was probably set up just for you Blink


ok then how bad is the fit? I can't use tech 2 missiles so I had to do with what I had.


I moved to null at a few weeks old about a year ago.
To start with i only did stuff with fleets and corp mates until i got a handle on how it worked and what was going on. Who was a cyno alt, who was bait, how the traps are laid.
Then i ran some sites with corp mates to suss out how that worked.
People are bashing you because you didn't put in the groundwork and you don't eem to have talked to your corp mates. This is not a single player game.
So some basic rules.
1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
2. If you can't fit T2 missiles then don't fly a Tengu. It needs the support skills and you don't have them.
3. training for doctrines is always depressing to start with as people are always forming fleets of ships you can't fly yet. Learn some of the support roles is my advice (like logi /tackle /scouting /anti tackle). people are always happy to have those things in fleet. If you can't fly ceptors or AF's then a republic fleet firetail is ok for t1 tackle.
4. Find a way to move stuff to null. either your own JF/carrier or a corp mate(s) who will do it for you.

Lastly you said you can't run relic sites because of skills?
null hacking sites require a t1 scanning frig and level 4 hacking skills. with those skills you will lose about 3% of the cans once you have learnt how to play the hacking game (luck is a very minor part of the hacking game. it is actually a game of skill even if the skill is trivial to acquire).

This is all stuff your corp should have helped with. Did you not ask them? or they just don't care about their members?
Anyway i will add to the chorus suggesting you stop starting new threads on these forums. It is doing you no favours sharks always are attracted to blood in the water. Eve is full of predators.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
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