EVE General Discussion

No, they really don't, and no, that's not an exception to what I just said.

Again, if they could, they'd live 100% in null — earning and wasting money there. As it is currently set up, that's a hugely stupid idea since the effort (short-handed “risk”) required to get to the fun part is massively increased compared to if you just did the obligatory parts in highsec.

You are making the ridiculously idiotic assumption that just because one particular reward — which isn't actually a reward in and of itself by rather an intermediary mechanism for reaching the actual rewards — is better in highsec, everything is better in high so they should “obviously” want to be there. You're ignoring the fact that it's just intermediary; you're ignoring the fact that the actual rewards are not worth both the risks associated with the rewards themselves and the risks associated with the intermediary; and you're ignoring the fact that the intermediary is currently obligatory.

So why on earth would they want to completely move to highsec when it doesn't offer the actual rewards, when the problem is with the intermediary they'd rather avoid altogether and the completely lopsided risk-reward relationship this mandatory part has?

…except that this is just some nonsensical strawman you've invented out of intellectual dishonesty because you're too lazy to figure out what the actual reward structures are that people are talking about.

Because we need to drop sov to make use of highsec...

I said why don't you leave and you claimed you did which isn't true. If you want CCP's attention nothing would get it like having their major null sec alliances up and leave nullsec out of protest.

I know you potato, and I know from your posts you're smarter than that.

There is no anomaly in null sec or anywhere else that has a citidel torp. And the null sec "burger flippers" are supposed to make more (relatively speaking) because this video game has a risk reward scheme that says so (that scheme being one of the founding principles of EVE Online).

That "just buff null" thing is nothing more than "leave my high sec alone, even if the power creep involved in buffing null would hurt the game". It's irresponsible thinking.

Or for us to simply make all of our isk in high sec which will give the same result and which is exactly what we are doing.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Maze

Its also not the only one with a citadel torp if memory serves. Of course this was from years ago when I actually did PvE, and maybe things have changed since then. vOv

I'm glad you finally see my point

I said why don't you leave and you claimed you did which isn't true.

I don't think nerfing hisec will solve anything.

These people won't move to null to become renters, fleet members, or targets. It won't happen. Nerfing hisec will alienate these people, nothing more.

It solves the problem of highsec providing a far too high baseline to allow other areas to offer a good progression of investment and return without resorting to near-gamebreaking reward structures.

That's just it: how would it alienate them? They're not being pushed anywhere. Rather, a highsec nerf (to allow for a low/null buff) is there to make it a much more sensible option for those who do want to leave to actually do so.

As it happens, this will in many cases benefit those left in high since they will have better access to facilities and less competition over their resources and goods.

The Null brigade are delusional and don't believe the CCP figures that already show their gross income (Including LP contrary to what they all claim) is four times high secs per capita on a monthly basis. Before we take PI, Deadspace Loot & Alliance income from Moon Goo into account even. So the reality of Nulls income is higher than four times per capita. But that isn't enough for them.