EVE General Discussion

I mostly disagree. Yes, the forums do see a noticeable amount of trolling, baiting, and rudeness, but I do think the useful opinions and comments outweigh the negative.

I think there are two problems:
The first is most people aren't aware of the useful sections of the forums, e.g. namely that upcoming changes are announced via the Features and Innovation sub-forum.

I blame the EVE launcher which is the "first" thing people see (especially newbies.) Is there a link to the forums on the Launcher? Nope. Can you find any proposed changes (i.e. F&I topics) listed in the Launcher? No? Then you might as well call them "proposed surprises". Why is the Launcher window so small in size? Then there's the problem of "auto play," which encourages people to ignore any information on the Launcher in the first place.

If I were a marketing/advertising person, I would see the Launcher as a primary means of catching people's attention/mindshare/whatever.


Secondly, given the length and complexity of some of the threadnaughts, having a simple linear list of posts makes it difficult to follow a thread. What we really need are nested sub-threads to handle when people go off on tangents or introduce sub-conversations (i.e. similar to how slashdot comments are organized.)

Oh, come now Herzog, at least tell us which board it was.

I once moderated for Librarium Online, there. Now you show me yours.

Well, I can't do that. That would be up to CCP. I can however write a script to lock everything in GD! Not that I ever considered doing it or anything.

Your lack of faith in ISD LackOfFaith is disturbing.

Ugh, yeah from what I've seen, removing GD works, but I personally hate it. Without a GD board you seem to lose the sense of community. OTOH, maybe it's because I haven't seen a non-GD forum set up "correctly."


I have to ask, without GD, which sub-forum would the Jita Riots go in?

One of my edits in the sentry drone nerf thread in GD was the following.

GD went to the pits when CCP changed the CAOD forum rules, where most of the trolls used to hang out. A lot of them migrated here.

The answer is simple. It lacks boobees!
More boobees, more activity!

Not only because boobees are really nice to look at, but also because boobees are friendly, positive and helpful! And this attracts even more boobees and boobee lovers too! Everybody likes boobees, no?

Happy environments attract happy people.
Negative environments scare them away.
GD is a particularly negative environment.
It's not rocket surgery.

There your reason why the forums suck, CCP. The reason for your lack of activity. Providing a positive environment also encourages others to tell people to read the forums (instead of 'Forums are full of idiots!') and they might even participate!

And it's actually easily changeable by anyone! You don't even need to expose yourself, in case you rather have people see specific characters under a specific light.

Any group of people can achieve change. It's a basic world mechanic. ;)

You just create a bee and bee nice to people. If you consent with other bees on how to deal with negative people, you can even discourage these people from posting! And if you do this, you do two steps closer to a more positive environment, which is a win/win for everybody involved! :D

And hey, the best thing about this is that if CCP really cared, they'd make sure that every CCP employee creates a bee and spends some time on the forums. Daily, of course. As bees, they can stay anonymous... which probably helps a lot. xD

Considering the fact that forums put a community onto display for the public, I would never think paying employees to use the forums is a waste of money ... and a group the size of CCP can cover a lot ground. Even 20min daily by every employee and Hilmar would make quite a difference.

What we also need is a trolling specific forum. ^^

I think part of the problem is this post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3887799#post3887799



The head guy recruiting for ISD has bias in his recruitment process. EVE allows for a variety of gameplay yet prevents a group of people from taking part in forum moderation. That biases the moderation and is hampering the forum use. That bias doesn't make sense either because there are most certainly rules preventing people from going nuts with the minute power awarded to moderators.

I think if that bias were removed and the "bad guys" of EVE were given a voice in moderation it'd be a better forum.

However that doesn't mean EVE-O has to become a horrible abomination like kugu.

Let's be honest for a moment. The guy that convinces his marks to rub mayonnaise and miracle whip all over themselves so that he gets pictures to spread around for e-fame is not the best candidate for a moderator position.

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Mynna in an ISD position. It's not so much about where you're from in game as it is about your actions, I think.