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You are confused. Let me help you.
There are people, who like complexity (in POS management for this case). And there are people, who like simplicity.
You say: "Let's please simpletons, as there are many of them!" And when you do it, complexity-likers start to freak out.

Here is what I suggest, to please both sides:
Make a simple but inefficient way, and a complex but efficient way.

In case of POS-fueling (and Liquid Ozone / Heavy Water problem) - it could be like that:
You introduce a fuel economizer bay. Every hour the POS tower takes pellets, consumes them - but spits out excess LO&HW into this bay. If the economizer is full, they are lost, obviously. People who like complexity will utilize this into new pellets. Simpletons will do nothing about it, as it's "oh so insignificant cost". Everyone's happy.

Bob, you don't get it.
Your calculations are based on "today price", which means they are fail, sorry. Prices can change 2-fold within a day, and you know it.

It's not about ISK we loose when switching to pellets. It's about being able to compete on the market. Suppose corp A has 100500 POSes and enjoys sovereignity fuel bonus. They can afford waste as much LO/HW as they want and still be competitive with corp B. The corp B has 1 POS without sovereignity, but optimizes LO/HW tightly.
If CCP switch to dumb mode, the corp B will no longer be competitive with A. It will wipe small corps from T2 production. No need to explain the consequences: no new start-ups in-game, more monopoly, less fun.

[Edit:
ARGH!

I really did have a post here. Hitting the POST butten appears to have simply reset back to the quoted message the first time (which I didn't notice), and a second post posted the quoted message alone.

ARGH!]

comparing old fuel requirements and new fuel requirements - new fuel requirements are lower cost overall. the oddball is the large tower under 50% PG usage.

at 50 units of LO per hour - your hourly M3 increase is 11.5m3. that is 8280m3 per month per tower. sure, maybe you got screwed a little - but many more people didn't - especially those who have to haul fuel to 50 different towers of all different races who's jobs just got a lot less spreadsheety - even if they do need to haul more. instead of complaining about this change - look into ways to benefit from it. fuel block production may become lucrative. failing that - there is compressed ice available which you should really look into to compensate for your increased hauling requirements...

I am FAR from convinced this change benefits more people than it hurts.

Worse, I think it penalizes the very people who put the most thought and effort into the game.

If towers were a new-player issue, I'd happily swallow the extra effort to make it easier for them.

I'm far less inclined to see my life made harder, just to make things a bit simpler for people too intellectually lazy to do a bit of arithmetic, or to site their planetary fuel production near their towers.

I'm not saying making it easy for them isn't a good thing. Not everyone wants the same thing out of the game. But on the whole, I think biasing the game further toward a mindless style of play does not make it richer or more rewarding.

There are people who choose to optimize differently, and choose not to spend time on planetary, and haul everything. If their PG/CPU usage is within range, they'll benefit a little by this. But I just can't see that SMALL benefit for that group as being balanced by the overall expansion of what has to be the most boring operation in EVE. At least while doing hisec mining, you can do other stuff.

Overall, the biggest impact is going to be people spend more time hauling, all over EVE, not just in WHs.

Balance that against an absolute maximum of 20% reduction in m3 (generally far less if any) and a few minor arithmetic/record keeping simplifications. I just cannot see this as being net good.

I've said before, I don't hate the idea. But I cannot see that it has the benefit, overall, that CCP Greyscale is looking for, and I'm hoping to persuade him to tweak it so it does.

Or drop it and make his life simpler. I'd rather see him move on to thinking about more serious POS tinkering. I completely understand why he'd be reluctant to do that; I would be, too. It's still my recommendation, if it makes his life simpler at this point in the process.

But if I fail to make my case, so be it. That will be my new reality. I'd rather haul then spend my time complaining.

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also forum ate a different post i was planning to make. so here's the TL;DR of that

these changes were made specifically because of large scale pos operation, and the niche industry was introduced as well for new players/ casual players so that you highseccers don't have to worry much about it from either a hauling or cost standpoint, but not both - creating incentive to invest in this new industry.

that having been said, I am not against a reduction in fuel block M3 to match say...25 days of fuel in the current fuel bays, then tweak fuel bays to hold 30 days of whatever that size is. that seems to me to be the best solution to solidify the new industry, and keep people from whining about the oh so dramatic hauling changes. I just don't think that it is the crisis people currently seem to think it is.

now if only you can open up 0.4 systems to moon mining we'll be in business!

question: is there a pos array where you can produce said fuel blocks?

Scrapyard bob: Is that knowledge or conjecture?



Well don't let it stop you from rechecking previous changes to see whether you 'hit the mark'. If you had done it with anomalies there propably would have been less stopped subscriptions.

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