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Just lost my first ship. Absolutely enraged.

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Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-02-04 20:04:40 UTC
at this page of the replies.. I doubt highly.. that the OP has the patience or humility to read all the information put forth as.. he himself said.. he doesn't want to google or youtube "how to play" ...

I would just offer that he try PvP .. as the most unscripted scenarios and content are created when you put X ( player ) vs. Y ( player #2,...3...4...players 3 & 4... 2 & 3.... etc ! )
these situations don't care how many skill books you've learned. how much isk you have or don't have.

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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#42 - 2014-02-04 20:22:20 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Lol. The mission told me to go escort a civilian ship to another part of space. The ship was badly damaged, and then enemies turned up. Funnily enough I thought I was supposed to protect the ship, not run away back to a station I was at less than a minute before. The fact is this game has a terrible tutorial system, that often requires new players to look up tutorials on how to play the tutorials.

You are right, that mission briefings could explain better, what to do. They are not detailed enough or bad explained often.


Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
to TOP that.. once i got to the final fight. DAGAN.. i see another player flying one of those new Sisters of EvE Cruisers and she kills Dagan & STEALS him! effectively making it impossible for me to complete that.. 50 mission story arc !
I was fuming.. enraged.. I wanted to buy an armada of pilots to exact revenge!

In this case, file a petition in Game via the help button. A GameMaster will reset the mission for you.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#43 - 2014-02-04 20:32:06 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Then I try a mission where I have to escort a ship of civilians. I go there, they are all dead and out of nowhere a group of enemies start pounding the crap out of me. Ok, I guess I've got to destroy them.


There are a number of missions through the collection served up by the game where you have to read the instructions carefully and pay attention to Local chat. Your ship's computer will send you messages, in this case it tells you to get closer to examine the habitation module, then warns you that smart bombs have been placed as a booby trap and that you should get out and return to base.

Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Needless to say I was pissed. A tutorial mission that pits you against people you have no chance of beating. The entire mission consisted of going to a place, and then running away from it. WTF kind of tutorial is that?


There are entire L4 missions where you head out to a place and are expected to simply look at what's around and quickly return to base: Recon (1 of 3), Recon (2 of 3), then Recon (3 of 3) with it's environmental damage effect, The Anomaly (a series of missions), Cargo Delivery (you just pick up some Quafe, shooting the NPCs will summon more NPCs), Pick Your Poison (you have to rescue only 1 of 2 ambassadors from a doomed space station) … and so forth.

Vozlov Krovik wrote:
So now I'm down my best ship, best modifications and my best weapons and all my ammo. All because of a terrible tutorial mission. Needless to say It's somewhat taken a large chunk out of my interest in the game.


You are down a single ship. It was a significant investment for you, but it was just a tool, doomed to be lost from the day you acquired it. Everything is temporary in EVE (well, except for clothing. grrr Incarna) and you can use these experiences to improve your ability to handle loss and cope with grief. You've obviously encountered the Denial and Anger stages (as witnessed in your original post) and you're probably in the middle of the Bargaining stages of the Kübler-Ross model now ("I'll learn from this, as long as EVE doesn't pull the rug out from under me again"), now you need to survive the Depression ("what's the use? EVE's just going to find new ways to make me sad! What's the point? This is a stupid game anyway, why did I waste my time on it?") and reach the Acceptance stage ("Okay, so losing things is part of the game. I can handle that.").

Vozlov Krovik wrote:
I have nearly 5 million credits, but I'll be spending most of that trying to refit a new ship, so I've literally just wasted the first few days of my trial.


In the near future, take the time to read over the Making ISK guide, this will give you some ideas on what you can do in game to build up your war chest in order to cover your inevitable losses.

Good luck! Have fun Cool
Vozlov Krovik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-02-04 20:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vozlov Krovik
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Your ship's computer will send you messages, in this case it tells you to get closer to examine the habitation module, then warns you that smart bombs have been placed as a booby trap and that you should get out and return to base.


Not trying to call you a liar, but nothing like that appeared on my screens at all. Maybe it was a bug, but at 10 years of development that's pathetic. I got over it, but then I started playing and thought to myself... WTF am I doing? For me it would seem the time and money investment required will simply not pay off.


Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
at this page of the replies.. I doubt highly.. that the OP has the patience or humility to read all the information put forth as.. he himself said.. he doesn't want to google or youtube "how to play" ...
.


On the contrary my illiterate friend. I have repeatedly said I have endlessly trawled through the wiki.

Is the majority of the player base of eve so dense they can't even understand what my rage was about? Are you that completely devoid of empathy, or literacy understanding that you can't decipher that basic concept from my first post? The tutorial is terrible, and poorly constructed. How dare I criticise this game though right, just attack me on completely irrelevant points and tell me I don't listen.

Honestly I think I'll hang up my Eve boots. There seems to be very little tactical depth to this game at all. It would seem that you simply turn up to an altercation and hope you have a more powerful ship with the right weapons loaded, or alternatively group up and simply overwhelm. There are clear weapon choices that outshine everything else, and I'm not about to spend £70 for a year of pointing - clicking - waiting - reading - watching, I'd rather actually interact with the games I play.

I come here to have a self acknowledged rant and all I have is people telling me I don't learn and that I'm not tough enough for the game. Lmao.

I learnt. I learnt the tutorials are terrible. I learnt not to use a hull repairer and a shield repairer at the same time. I learnt that Eve is probably the most difficult game to get into yet has little depth other than in its numbers. I learnt how not to make a UI. I learnt that most of the guys on here seem to have their tongue so far up J'Polls arse she can't even tell when she's being an elitist tool.

I learnt that there are those that play eve, and those that live it.

I don't have the time for this ****, If I want to read a book I've got a shelf full of them, If I want to fly a space ship I'll go play a game that requires more than clicking a mouse. Where's a joystick when I need one? I'll just wait for Star Citizen, Good luck all, cheers to those that warrant it.
Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-02-04 21:03:17 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Quote:
Your ship's computer will send you messages, in this case it tells you to get closer to examine the habitation module, then warns you that smart bombs have been placed as a booby trap and that you should get out and return to base.


Not trying to call you a liar, but nothing like that appeared on my screens at all. Maybe it was a bug, but at 10 years of development that's pathetic. I got over it, but then I started playing and thought to myself... WTF am I doing? For me it would seem the time and money investment required will simply not pay off.


Arc'Los Xyn wrote:
at this page of the replies.. I doubt highly.. that the OP has the patience or humility to read all the information put forth as.. he himself said.. he doesn't want to google or youtube "how to play" ...
.


On the contrary my illiterate friend. I have repeatedly said I have endlessly trawled through the wiki.

Is the majority of the player base of eve so dense they can't even understand what my rage was about? Are you that completely devoid of empathy, or literacy understanding that you can't decipher that basic concept from my first post? The tutorial is terrible, and poorly constructed. How dare I criticise this game though right, just attack me on completely irrelevant points and tell me I don't listen.

Honestly I think I'll hang up my Eve boots. There seems to be very little tactical depth to this game at all. It would seem that you simply turn up to an altercation and hope you have a more powerful ship with the right weapons loaded, or alternatively group up and simply overwhelm. There are clear weapon choices that outshine everything else, and I'm not about to spend £70 for a year of pointing - clicking - waiting - reading - watching, I'd rather actually interact with the games I play.

I come here to have a self acknowledged rant and all I have is people telling me I don't learn and that I'm not tough enough for the game. Lmao.

I learnt. I learnt the tutorials are terrible. I learnt not to use a hull repairer and a shield repairer at the same time. I learnt that Eve is probably the most difficult game to get into yet has little depth other than in its numbers. I learnt how not to make a UI. I learnt that most of the guys on here seem to have their tongue so far up J'Polls arse she can't even tell when she's being an elitist tool.

I learnt that there are those that play eve, and those that live it.

I don't have the time for this ****, If I want to read a book I've got a shelf full of them, If I want to fly a space ship I'll go play a game that requires more than clicking a mouse. Where's a joystick when I need one? I'll just wait for Star Citizen, Good luck all, cheers to those that warrant it.


even in the forums there is PvP...
did i just find a Star Citizen thread .. hidden in this wall of text ?

you're so red with rage atm.. that you aren't even seeing past your own mistakes ?
like figuring out WHY its wrong to use two different types of repairers.. as it kills your ability to create sufficient DPS.. DPS which is also used as a form of defense.. the quicker your enemy is dead.. the less YOU need to repair.

the tactical Depth in this game is there.. you were too shallow to look farther than your own perception.
there's MILLIONS of posts. and hundreds of videos that PROVE your statement about having a more powerful ship and weapons . DO NOT = WIN

so i guess you are NOT .. tough enough for the game.
you in effect lost because you yourself just said you wanna hang up your eve boots.
thanks for trying... GF.

o7

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Vozlov Krovik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-02-04 21:11:33 UTC
Lol.
Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#47 - 2014-02-04 21:13:27 UTC
It's really funny seeing OP's posts, go back to your games with kiddy checkpoints and respawns, this is sparta.

Also, I had a good laugh at his comment, "There seems to be very little tactical depth to this game at all".
Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#48 - 2014-02-04 21:18:33 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
I'll just wait for Star Citizen, Good luck all, cheers to those that warrant it.



Posting in a stealth Star Citizen thread.

Can an ISD lock this now? The OP clearly knows way more about EvE than everyone else, so further replies are now useless.

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.

Vozlov Krovik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-02-04 21:25:22 UTC
Lol. Yeah, I know more about Eve than you, that's what I'm trying to say, completely.

You people are pathetic. God forbid someone doesn't like something you do IRL, although my guess is you wouldn't say a thing, then run off to your room and turn to Eve players to complain, to escape the BRUTALITY OF IT ALL! THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MAN!

LMAO.

Ok you can delete this thread now. I'm done.
Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#50 - 2014-02-04 21:31:26 UTC
You've been saying you've "been done" since the first post, GTFO the thread already.
Dkeh Weis
Digital Innovations
#51 - 2014-02-04 21:35:30 UTC
WTF?

You complain that the tutorials are terrible. People point out why they are not terrible, and the lessons you SHOULD have learned. You respond by QQ'ing about WTFOMGBADDIE CCP DOESNT CARE BAD DESIGN GRRR EVERYONE HATES ME

Like, what the actual hell? You came to the ONE place that people are INCLINED to help new players, and basically tell us to all go **** our own hats.

Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all.

Aswald McSmith
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-02-04 22:04:00 UTC
I can understand the OP's distress to some degree, everything said online about EVE having a steep learning curve, is true.

I've been playing for maybe 4 days and it's a lot thrown in your face when you're used to every other MMO having a different interface and flavor.

However, I just ran this mission last night, they TELL you you're going to lose your ship. This mission gives you a ship to lose specifically for that purpose. They tell you not to take your own outfitted ship into this fight, it's more than "8 words out of 100".

I knew I was going to lose the ship they gave me, so I insured it at Platinum and flew to my death with a nice little 250,000 ISK bonus on top of the mission rewards.

So either this guy is trolling or he needs to not play EVE or take a break for a day and get back into it.

MMO's are nearly 10 years old now with many having been running for a lot of that time with many updates, patches, bug fixes, expansions...a LOT more than just the basic game and they are more complicated. But it's that level of complexity, depth and immersion that give an MMO staying power. If it's too easy, no one will keep playing for years.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-02-04 22:08:06 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
I learnt that Eve is probably the most difficult game to get into yet has little depth other than in its numbers.

Clearly, we're gonna need more popcorn.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Vozlov Krovik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-02-04 22:10:25 UTC
Sorry I've been flying around trying to get parts for my new ship at the right prices. Has taken me an hour, I haven't actually put any input into the game other than fitting things to my ship, setting a new destination, undocking and then setting it on autopilot. In the mean time I watched some TV, ate some food, tidied the house and had a shower. Great game.

You haven't pointed out at all why the tutorials aren't terrible. You've merely blasted me for not picking up on one sentence that contradicted literally everything else in the mission briefing. And no, it doesn't teach you anything, other than getting killed sucks, or that running away is sometimes part of missions. Great tutorial.

I've told you what I learnt, you're simply too dense to listen or too ignorant to actually read my responses. Also, I didn't tell everyone to 'eat their own hats', just the pompous tools who got all butthurt that I criticised their game, endlessly talking down to me in the most pathetic manner. I actually thanked the people who warranted it, but again, you're clearly too ignorant to read my responses, or too dense to actually understand them.

Later all, signing off!
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2014-02-04 22:27:08 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
The thing is, I already knew that, but thanks anyway :D

Also, the idea that mission runners google the missions before they do them is just ludicrous imo. WTF is the point in that? It's like people who buy guides for their new games. If that really is the norm then I have a feeling the missions are going to irritate me amazingly, because reading a walkthrough before I've even attempted a mission is just something I'm not capable of doing whilst still trying to have fun. To not hold your hand is one thing, to require you to read a walkthrough in preperation is something else.

Thanks to those who actually had something substantial to say/advise. To those pretentious snobs that didn't, thanks anyway :)




Just people min/maxing because missions and PVE in this game is as interesting as lathering your balls chilli powder draging them back and forth over a cactus and proceeding to dip them in a bowl of lime juice before repeating from the start.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Qalix
Long Jump.
#56 - 2014-02-04 22:30:40 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
rant

Good riddance
Lilliana Stelles
#57 - 2014-02-04 23:00:10 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Lol. The mission told me to go escort a civilian ship to another part of space. The ship was badly damaged, and then enemies turned up. Funnily enough I thought I was supposed to protect the ship, not run away back to a station I was at less than a minute before. The fact is this game has a terrible tutorial system, that often requires new players to look up tutorials on how to play the tutorials. I already knew I could be outmatched, I just didn't expect to be outmatched in a tutorial I believed was teaching me about escorting, considering everything but that one sentence told me I'd be escorting. Lesson learned I guess, Eve's a *****.

I'm over it now, and am continuing with the rest of the tutorials.

Glad to see though that the community is just like the real world. On the one hand their are people actually willing to lend advice and a helpful hand, whilst on the other there are losers with nothing better to do than fan their elitist ego.

Noxisia Arkana wrote:

Right, check out your faction standings in a month if you don't use EvE survival. I look forward to that post.

That pretentious smell test goes both ways... I consider myself a fairly kind player but you missed the lesson the game was teaching you.

It is this: EvE has consequences. The losses are permanent.

You can choose not to do research or you can just autopilot through a .4 system and get popped by pirates. So you can choose not to use google, the forums, or any other supplement and learn how to EvE all on your own. The path suggested by others is - it's a lot less painful to join a corp, make a friend, or hit up google.

The school of hard-knocks has its merrits but it requires a tougher skin than you have.



I have absolutely no intention of using Eve Survival. I might as well just watch a lets play on youtube and not even bother playing the damn game.
You actually enjoy knowing exactly what to take with you on a mission, knowing exactly what is coming?
Yet you're one of those that are telling me to not expect Eve to hold my hand, and that I don't have a tough enough skin for it? Lol, Irony.

Regardless though, if you'd of read the thread you'd know I've been endlessly trawling through google and the wiki on how to play the game, teaching others what I've found out in the process. So no, in this case the pretentiousness doesn't go both ways.

Cheers people. See you in Eve!


Eve survival isn't essential, but it's damn near close. You'll need to learn exactly what type of NPCs deal exactly what type of damage if you plan to ever do any missions above level 3. There are a few ships (marauders) that have enough tank to withstand any damage type, but the fact is many level 4 missions do between 1000-2000 damage a second in certain rooms. Unless you have >80% resistance against that type specifically, you can expect to lose a few hundred million isk the first time you attempt a level 4 without the right type of tank.

There are always ways around this. If your'e dead set on it, you'll want to learn about mobile depots. Bring a mobile depot and a full rack of every type of hardener or resistance amplifier; that way you can switch your tank to whatever type of damage the mission deals on the spot.

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Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#58 - 2014-02-04 23:12:50 UTC
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
I understand this game doesn't hold your hand. I've been reading endlessly about tons of stuff, to the point where I'm helping other noobs out with their noob questions. The fact is I'm in a damn TUTORIAL mission that didn't actually TEACH me anything. The entire mission consisted of going to a place, not doing anything, and then leaving again.


I understand, but it did teach you one very important lesson. You can, and will, lose ships when you least expect it in EVE. Once you learn that, it makes the rest of your career in EVE a bit easier.

My Corp actually specializes in teaching that lesson to players outside of the tutorial environment.

You will get past this disappointment, or not. You will continue to explore EVE, or not. If you do continue, good luck and enjoy.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-02-04 23:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Ok.

Now that I'm home and reading it all...sorry not even going to waste my time on this guy. His attitude clearly shows that:

A. EVE isnt the game for him (totally fine).
B. He is being cocky and ignorant and doesnt want to gake advice from people with knowledge about what they are saying. (Not fine).

To explain B:

Post 43 by Mara is 200% correct. The tutorials DO war you. If you only read that freaking colored text that shows up in local chat, which you are obviously in.

Claiming you didnt get any warning and negate GOOD and ACCURATE advice makes me want to ask this question.

Why for the love of the IKEA veldspar god did you come to the forum. It aint for asking help which makes me deduce it is just a QQ thread.

Done with this person as I give him less then 3 months and thus rather go invest my time in stayers.


Edit.

Did I say 3 months...I mean 3 days obviously.

Edit 2:

Maybe you should ask CCP for the key to "the door" so you can unlock it. Just make sure it doesnt hit you in the ass when you leave.

[ sarcasm ]
I'm sure many people will miss you
[ /sarcasm ]

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Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#60 - 2014-02-05 00:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sevastian Liao
Vozlov Krovik wrote:
Sorry I've been flying around trying to get parts for my new ship at the right prices. Has taken me an hour, I haven't actually put any input into the game other than fitting things to my ship, setting a new destination, undocking and then setting it on autopilot. In the mean time I watched some TV, ate some food, tidied the house and had a shower. Great game.

You haven't pointed out at all why the tutorials aren't terrible. You've merely blasted me for not picking up on one sentence that contradicted literally everything else in the mission briefing. And no, it doesn't teach you anything, other than getting killed sucks, or that running away is sometimes part of missions. Great tutorial.

I've told you what I learnt, you're simply too dense to listen or too ignorant to actually read my responses. Also, I didn't tell everyone to 'eat their own hats', just the pompous tools who got all butthurt that I criticised their game, endlessly talking down to me in the most pathetic manner. I actually thanked the people who warranted it, but again, you're clearly too ignorant to read my responses, or too dense to actually understand them.

Later all, signing off!


Your only justification why the tutorial is "terrible" is because *you* didn't read the instructions carefully enough because *you* believe that 8 words was too short to be meaningful for new players in general because *you* think that's the case. Despite the majority of other players getting past that particular mission without problems. You're claiming the tutorial is weak based on your own failings, and then projecting those failings to other players and claiming overall failure on the part of the tutorial. Eight words is not too short for meaningful conveyance of information. The problem here is that you chose not to read it. Put simply, all your rants revolve around the opinion that *your* experiences and *your* requirements (Short attention span) set the standard for quality gameplay. Now you're making snarky comments about the game in general because of the autopilot system - something you're not being forced to use. There's no need to justify how the tutorial isn't terrible when you're the one making the accusation that it is based on flimsy rationalizations. So yes, you are being pretentious.

You - Like any dozens other newbies in any dozens of other games - Make the very typical claim that "Pompous tools" are the problem when the real issue at hand is that you expect massaging of your bruised ego to be packaged along with the advice that older players are already giving. Despite coming in with one of the more antagonistic OPs I've seen in the ENCQA for a while. Being overly willing to bend over backwards to "be nice" to rude new players contributes to the growing sense of entitlement hereabouts, so I'll just come out and say that I'm grateful to those who choose to modify how friendly their advice is to suit the personality of the OP. No, you're not entitled to careful handling of your fragile ego with such a tone.

The player community overwhelmingly helps out new players with friendly advice on a daily basis - provided they're willing to take responsibility for their own actions. You're free to check out any of the other threads started by other new players as proof.