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Apollo North
Tactical Integration Syndicate
#1 - 2014-02-01 13:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo North
Hello all,

I've only been playing EVE for a few days now and i'm already hooked. so much so, that i created a MTC account to set up an alt hauler for my main char that is specializing in mining. Over the course of the passed few days i've been able to acquire a Miasmos, Kryos, Nereus and my main mining ship a Venture (also have an Imicus and a Navitas). They were acquired through either mission completion or networking within CAS.

My question to everyone out there, what are the best ways to put those three industrial ships to use? and what kind of T! fitting packages should i get for them to start with?

Thanks for any feedback you can give.

Apollo
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-01 14:37:22 UTC
Venture should be a stepping stone to a retriever or similar, or used for low sec mining once you have capital to back up the risk of loss (which will happen at some point). Retriever opens up the option for ice mining too which is another good option.

Look at training up PI too, it is another useful source of income especially for a new player since the basics required can be trained up fairly quickly. Google the mining and PI 101 documents to get a good grounding in these areas. Warp stabs, Damage Control and any kind of tank modules are good on the cargo ships to allow you to take hits whilst running away. Always bear in mind when fitting tank on a cargo ship that you don't want to slow down you agility. You want to run and run fast. In this sense the agility and warp speed rigs will serve you better. Shield extenders are probably a better option than armour tank too.

Consider training up to viator or similar later when you start needing to run more isk dense products from one place to another. They cannot be cargo scanned and have great agility and warp speed.

These are just the views of a young player though (4 months-ish) so others may have a different view.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2014-02-01 15:03:19 UTC
Apollo North wrote:


My question to everyone out there, what are the best ways to put those three industrial ships to use? and what kind of T! fitting packages should i get for them to start with?

Apollo


It would be a big help if we knew what you were wanting to do with those ships, specifically.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Apollo North
Tactical Integration Syndicate
#4 - 2014-02-01 18:28:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Apollo North wrote:


My question to everyone out there, what are the best ways to put those three industrial ships to use? and what kind of T! fitting packages should i get for them to start with?

Apollo


It would be a big help if we knew what you were wanting to do with those ships, specifically.



im looking to operate in high sec doing mineral and ore running for an indy business partner. And when possible, between mining and shipment running, id want to also play the market with trade runs.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2014-02-01 18:35:59 UTC
The miasmos is the most valuable industrial ship to you at the moment as it has a special hold for ore. You can get information about how to fit it this article: Miasmos fit. Eve University always has great information on how to fit a ship, plus a lot of other information about mining, etc.

But your first priority should be to get into a T1 mining barge. Retriever is a good choice as mentioned above, or a Procurer is cheaper, easier on the skills required for fitting, and has more hit points (but smaller ore hold).

You will make more isk by having both characters mine at the same time rather than one in a mining ship and the other in a hauler. After you collect a reasonable amount of ore use the hauler to move it to the closest station with a good buy order. You might want to stay out of the major hubs (especially Jita) until you have more experience.

Use a site such as this to understand which is the most valuable ore to mine: Ore prices
Apollo North
Tactical Integration Syndicate
#6 - 2014-02-01 18:45:17 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
The miasmos is the most valuable industrial ship to you at the moment as it has a special hold for ore. You can get information about how to fit it this article: Miasmos fit. Eve University always has great information on how to fit a ship, plus a lot of other information about mining, etc.

But your first priority should be to get into a T1 mining barge. Retriever is a good choice as mentioned above, or a Procurer is cheaper, easier on the skills required for fitting, and has more hit points (but smaller ore hold).

You will make more isk by having both characters mine at the same time rather than one in a mining ship and the other in a hauler. After you collect a reasonable amount of ore use the hauler to move it to the closest station with a good buy order. You might want to stay out of the major hubs (especially Jita) until you have more experience.

Use a site such as this to understand which is the most valuable ore to mine: Ore prices



my alt char is only one a 30 day MTC so i can train him faster. i dont have separate accounts so i would have to continuously log out and back in, in order to use them somewhat simultaneously. For that reason, im training my alt up to T2 hauling so i can keep him at my home base and when im done mining, i can use him to ship the ore to its destination.

Eventually, i want to get my refining skill up to a respectable level so i can do the same process with refined minerals.

Thanks for the link, but ive read quite a few fits for Miasmos and they all come back to the same thing, so i was asking for first person experience and preferences.

I dont see why i would need the scavenger on my miasmos and stuff like that.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-01 19:18:58 UTC
A good idea is to run missions for one corp in your home system and learn refining to V, refinery efficiency to IV and the appropriate ore skills to III. Once you get standings of 6.7 with the chosen corp you can refine your ore to minerals at 0% tax and no waste.Use kryos to haul the minerals rather than miasmos for the ore. The additional minerals don't seem like much but bear in mind you will get them *every* time you refine. It's a skill that keeps on giving :)

This will also set you up to use modulated strip miners and mining crystals in future, but you will always benefit from the refining skills
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#8 - 2014-02-02 00:58:18 UTC
Apollo North wrote:



my alt char is only one a 30 day MTC so i can train him faster. i dont have separate accounts so i would have to continuously log out and back in, in order to use them somewhat simultaneously. For that reason, im training my alt up to T2 hauling so i can keep him at my home base and when im done mining, i can use him to ship the ore to its destination.

Eventually, i want to get my refining skill up to a respectable level so i can do the same process with refined minerals.

Thanks for the link, but ive read quite a few fits for Miasmos and they all come back to the same thing, so i was asking for first person experience and preferences.

I dont see why i would need the scavenger on my miasmos and stuff like that.

In that case, you should have just trained to your mining barge and then worked toward your T2 hauler/ IMO you're just wasting money for something you can do on one account.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Apollo North
Tactical Integration Syndicate
#9 - 2014-02-02 01:05:24 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Apollo North wrote:



my alt char is only one a 30 day MTC so i can train him faster. i dont have separate accounts so i would have to continuously log out and back in, in order to use them somewhat simultaneously. For that reason, im training my alt up to T2 hauling so i can keep him at my home base and when im done mining, i can use him to ship the ore to its destination.

Eventually, i want to get my refining skill up to a respectable level so i can do the same process with refined minerals.

Thanks for the link, but ive read quite a few fits for Miasmos and they all come back to the same thing, so i was asking for first person experience and preferences.

I dont see why i would need the scavenger on my miasmos and stuff like that.

In that case, you should have just trained to your mining barge and then worked toward your T2 hauler/ IMO you're just wasting money for something you can do on one account.



see i dont see it as wasting money to train my alt. that money would have been spent either way. but now i can train my main on other things and leave the hauling duties to a level 4 alt
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#10 - 2014-02-02 08:17:35 UTC
Apollo North wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Apollo North wrote:



my alt char is only one a 30 day MTC so i can train him faster. i dont have separate accounts so i would have to continuously log out and back in, in order to use them somewhat simultaneously. For that reason, im training my alt up to T2 hauling so i can keep him at my home base and when im done mining, i can use him to ship the ore to its destination.

Eventually, i want to get my refining skill up to a respectable level so i can do the same process with refined minerals.

Thanks for the link, but ive read quite a few fits for Miasmos and they all come back to the same thing, so i was asking for first person experience and preferences.

I dont see why i would need the scavenger on my miasmos and stuff like that.

In that case, you should have just trained to your mining barge and then worked toward your T2 hauler/ IMO you're just wasting money for something you can do on one account.



see i dont see it as wasting money to train my alt. that money would have been spent either way. but now i can train my main on other things and leave the hauling duties to a level 4 alt

I realize it is 'to each his own' I just think it to be simpler to do it that way since Gallente Industrial is a fairly cheap skill and you are hauling while your miner is logged off.

That's my feedback which is what these forums are for.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-02 10:50:50 UTC
Actually I agree with James here, train hauler on you mining char and train the alt into PI and maybe cloakyness for exploration. PI is handy as it is passive income and cloakyness will help you run through low-sec for better profits
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
#12 - 2014-02-04 16:41:36 UTC
Quote:
My question to everyone out there, what are the best ways to put those three industrial ships to use?


Not like these:

1. AFK
2. Autopilot
3. Carrying a great value of stuff in your holds

Do any of that, and you're asking for a gank. You might still get popped, but if you do none of the above, it'll be less frequent and less damaging to your industry.

Forget the Retreiver; Procurer with shield modules is your better bet for High-sec mining. I will second the suggestion to put a Damage Control on everything you fly.