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CNR needs a buff?
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Chamiidra
Ratting FTW
#1 - 2014-02-03 22:13:11 UTC
I bought one on a whim yesterday from a corpie without really knowing what I wanted to do with it. So I fired up EFT and started plugging numbers into it and much to my surprise it does exactly the same damage as a stock Raven. I'm kind of at a loss, in what way is the CNR any better than a stock Raven now?

It seems like it could stand to have it's ROF bonus re-instated, or some other missile dmg buff of some sort.
Collie Buddz
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-02-03 22:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Collie Buddz
One fits 8 Launchers and the other 6. Navy has better damage application.
Chamiidra
Ratting FTW
#3 - 2014-02-03 22:50:33 UTC
Collie Buddz wrote:
One fits 8 Launchers and the other 6. Not sure how that's the same.


Raven gets an ROF buff CNR does not. Equals out to the same DPS with cruise.
stoicfaux
#4 - 2014-02-03 22:51:45 UTC
Same DPS, however the CNR gets a missile explosion bonus which improves applied damage.

On a side note, due to tiericide all the missile battleships do the same DPS (except for the TFI which does a tiny bit more.)

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Collie Buddz
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-02-03 22:55:08 UTC
Chamiidra wrote:
Collie Buddz wrote:
One fits 8 Launchers and the other 6. Not sure how that's the same.


Raven gets an ROF buff CNR does not. Equals out to the same DPS with cruise.


Yeah I realized that right after I posted. I guess you were too fast for my edit. I would suggest using EFT first in the future before buying on a whim I guess.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#6 - 2014-02-04 12:45:57 UTC
Collie Buddz wrote:
I would suggest using EFT first in the future before buying on a whim I guess.


Because selling it again is so hard?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#7 - 2014-02-04 14:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
Chamiidra wrote:
I'm kind of at a loss, in what way is the CNR any better than a stock Raven now?


- more speed(quite nice if you mwd fit it, like I do)
- better dps by a extra sentry(extra drone bay)
- extra fittings(more or less a moot point, because it has to fit 2 more launchers)
- better applied dps against cruisers and frigs by the extra application bonus
- higher scan resolution, what is quite handy, because you will lock a awful lot of stuff
- more shield hp, giving you more ease in high dps situations, more armor and structure giving you more survivability in a SHTF situation or against suicide ganks
- higher sensor strength, resulting in less jamming if you run gurista stuff
- higher alpha(8 vs 6 launchers worth of alpha), better dps if you figure in reload times(since it doesn't got the ROF bonus)

Overall it is a fairly nice upgrade. It just could use a bit more fitting for Torp fittings, but this was done to death in the BS rebalance thread.

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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#8 - 2014-02-04 14:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Chamiidra wrote:
So I fired up EFT and started plugging numbers into it and much to my surprise it does exactly the same damage as a stock Raven..


Raven, CNR, SNI and Golem have exactly the same base DPS. CNR and Golem have a much higher alpha (making some min maxing dual targeting setups viable), as well as application and projection bonuses. SNI has a tank bonus and Raven a projection bonus.

A CNR will run missions much faster than a Raven, if you have the skill to use it properly. Blink
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#9 - 2014-02-04 15:09:50 UTC
To add to this; a CNR will also start to pull ahead even more once you start using Fury ammo.