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Introduce New areas of LOW SEC space where Capital ship cannot enter.

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Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#1 - 2014-02-03 11:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Glarion Garnier
The reasoning game lore wise could be allmost anything.
Since this new low sec space belongs to some hazy pirate organization
OR since there is some sort of anomaly braking up some electronics
Devs you may come up with a better excuse for it.

Anyways the main theme beeing Regular old eve from the past where no capital ships can brake up the fun
of small scale pvp.

Naturally this new space should have some incentives for ppl to be there.

Perhaps all empire could expand some gray areas of space.

The main idea of such special low sec areas of space is naturally the logic that the big boys and their OP toys cannot enter the fun .. unless they stick to max BS class vessels.


Such space might be called the Gray area and be security status 0.45 space. Shocked ..
Anyways to whole main idea is to force and enviroment where the OLD style of eve is the only way.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#2 - 2014-02-03 11:39:12 UTC
so what you're saying is you don't want free cap kills? this one time someone dropped a mach and a carrier on an af gang i was flying in we had to leg it quickly to reship and get back before the carrier came out of triage... we were about 10 seconds too late this isn't bad for the game it's good when you get to take nice things off people. Also it'd have to be a place with no moons at all because otherwise people would just build caps in the system since they know for sure that no one is able to drop a stack of dreads to pop their tower they're using to build cap ships
Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#3 - 2014-02-03 11:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Glarion Garnier
Gawain Edmond wrote:
so what you're saying is you don't want free cap kills? this one time someone dropped a mach and a carrier on an af gang i was flying in we had to leg it quickly to reship and get back before the carrier came out of triage... we were about 10 seconds too late this isn't bad for the game it's good when you get to take nice things off people. Also it'd have to be a place with no moons at all because otherwise people would just build caps in the system since they know for sure that no one is able to drop a stack of dreads to pop their tower they're using to build cap ships


But .. for the reasons unknown or not understood .. You could not build capital ships in those systems. It would not work. Moon mining would. It could be Empires interest or what ever.

Only perhaps frreighters might be allowed.

Everyone who would like to wage war there would have to resort to the OLD WAYS of eve. NO CAPS period.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2014-02-03 11:56:12 UTC
High sec wardecs already allow PvP to exist without caps.
Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#5 - 2014-02-03 12:03:03 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
High sec wardecs already allow PvP to exist without caps.


Sure but Hich sec is not low sec.. No piracy! .. no BS rats etc etc.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2014-02-03 12:04:35 UTC
BS rats...?
Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#7 - 2014-02-03 12:07:18 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
BS rats...?


Yes current low sec has Battleship sized rats. Better wormholes ,, better planet mining etc.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#8 - 2014-02-03 12:45:37 UTC
people rat in low sec? i mean sure i did it once for a while to collect those tags (which i didn't use) but why would ccp make this what does it add to the game that isn't already in high sec?
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2014-02-03 13:07:06 UTC
Oddelulf welcomes all BS ratters with open arms. There is a built-in ESS system inside amarr station aswell.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2014-02-03 13:12:40 UTC
Ueberlisk wrote:
Oddelulf welcomes all BS ratters with open arms. There is a built-in ESS system inside amarr station aswell.
Does it have better wormholes?
Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-02-03 14:18:16 UTC
The apex fleet in this imaginary low-sec would be huge 250-man fleets of 249km lock/shoot-range battleships, just like the old days. Very little small scale fleets can do about it.
Just face it, small scale pvp today is to hunt big fish in such a way that you get away with it. And it isn't an honorable affair where sides meet with equal odds of success. Its always a gank. By that I mean its always one side that has the odds entirely in their favor, because that is what they gathered before they attacked ("seek victory, then fight" - Sun Tzu).

When you attack its always because you can fulfill these conditions:
1. Completely dominate the field and bubble the enemy and slaughter them all, or
2. Kill expensive targets (possibly looting them) and running away before losing anything of value yourself.
The most powerful do the first, the less powerful does the second. You may attack someone less powerful and act like the first, then someone more powerful comes by and you must act like the latter or be gankfood yourself.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-02-03 14:28:49 UTC
Gawain Edmond wrote:
so what you're saying is you don't want free cap kills? this one time someone dropped a mach and a carrier on an af gang i was flying in we had to leg it quickly to reship and get back before the carrier came out of triage... we were about 10 seconds too late this isn't bad for the game it's good when you get to take nice things off people. Also it'd have to be a place with no moons at all because otherwise people would just build caps in the system since they know for sure that no one is able to drop a stack of dreads to pop their tower they're using to build cap ships



It s jsut a matter of, more different locations with different restrictiosn create more variance on tactical scenarios, and that is good.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-02-03 15:35:52 UTC
Glarion Garnier wrote:

Anyways to whole main idea is to force and enviroment where the OLD style of eve is the only way.



Remote AOE doomsdays, untouchable nano typhoons and proper instacanes you mean?


It'd be a pretty miserable place to try and fight a war, unless you also ban POSes too.
Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#14 - 2014-02-03 22:37:10 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Glarion Garnier wrote:

Anyways to whole main idea is to force and enviroment where the OLD style of eve is the only way.


Remote AOE doomsdays, untouchable nano typhoons and proper instacanes you mean?

It'd be a pretty miserable place to try and fight a war, unless you also ban POSes too.


Dear Danika..

Idea is Eve as it is NOW with new low sec that does not allow CAPS .. pretty simple aint it. you could have pos but if you would try to anchor Capital construction yard .. it would not anchor..

With old eve I dont mean bringing anything from the past. Exept the fleet compositions that LACKS capital ships.

Would be fun for many. The mighty big players might feel more at unease since they cannot hop to their customed capital vessels of doom.. They would have to think within limitations.

Needing to think more is good in eve.

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#15 - 2014-02-03 22:53:15 UTC
Nothing wrong with chunk of that kinda space added as long as current one is not converted.

Knowing that your group of 3 and some tackle will not get jumped by 2 bhaalgorns 7 dreads and a 2 achrons is actually good thing.

Small scale skirmishes without god complex are a neat thing.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2014-02-03 23:01:48 UTC
C1-C3 wormholes are pretty much like this. You can build capitals in them, but while that is done a bit in C4s, it's not really done in lower class WHs. And supercaps are totally banned from wormholes.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
#17 - 2014-02-03 23:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Glarion Garnier
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Nothing wrong with chunk of that kinda space added as long as current one is not converted.

Knowing that your group of 3 and some tackle will not get jumped by 2 bhaalgorns 7 dreads and a 2 achrons is actually good thing.

Small scale skirmishes without god complex are a neat thing.


It would be totally new space. more systems to exploit. The nice thing about Eve is that is allows for infinite amount of new systems to be added .. and it would be quite logical.. (not taking into account wheter it works good for the game and it's players tho) regular galaxy is like zillion times more star systems than eve. Big smile IRL that is
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-02-04 00:27:35 UTC
Glarion Garnier wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Glarion Garnier wrote:

Anyways to whole main idea is to force and enviroment where the OLD style of eve is the only way.


Remote AOE doomsdays, untouchable nano typhoons and proper instacanes you mean?

It'd be a pretty miserable place to try and fight a war, unless you also ban POSes too.


Dear Danika..

Idea is Eve as it is NOW with new low sec that does not allow CAPS .. pretty simple aint it. you could have pos but if you would try to anchor Capital construction yard .. it would not anchor..

With old eve I dont mean bringing anything from the past. Exept the fleet compositions that LACKS capital ships.

Would be fun for many. The mighty big players might feel more at unease since they cannot hop to their customed capital vessels of doom.. They would have to think within limitations.

Needing to think more is good in eve.




What I mean by disallowing POS there is that you simply would not be able to remove a properly hardened large POS, unless you're bringing in a huge battleship fleet to do it. If you have to deal with dickstar POSed in subcaps, you're going to hate living there if you weren't one of the first people in.
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#19 - 2014-02-04 06:10:44 UTC
Lets use the lowsec space we have before adding more. Also, your removing some of the risk, so the reward needs to take a cut as well, so no moon mining or reacting. I'm guessing the plague of cap drops on lowsec gangs isn't what is motivating this... *cough* moons *cough*
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-02-04 06:40:01 UTC
0/10 just cause locking people out of anything based on ship is terribad .. what's next levels and leveling areas like in the crappy mmos?

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