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Peace between the Empire and the Republic, a Moderate viewpoint
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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#421 - 2014-02-02 00:31:36 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Militias dedicating themselves to protect the space they live in ? Is that a joke ? Most people enlisted in there either are here for the money, or for the target shooting opportunities it provides them. Militias are nest of pirates, privateers, and crooks. I am pretty sure that a few die hard loyalists like yourself also populate the area, like it was already the case when I was in the 24th IC - which was famous for being the most close knit of all militias.

Some also seem to make arrangements with the other side as to maximize the gains they can get out of speculating the isk/LP ration they can make depending on the tier rating of the war front. That is the militia in a nutshell.

You provide no freedom, and certainly not for the worlds located in your area of space. I have seen it for 3 years as a Divine Commander of the Imperial Crusade. Nothing has been gained since the beginning, and that giant stalemate is a blatant proof of the absurdity in which you, and I, chose to take part.

There is nothing to thank for. Only sacrificed regions of space on the altar of the CEMPA.

So you admit to the absurdity, and choose to take part in it regardless? Interesting. Miss Farel, I often see you taking various stances against many things... So I ask you, what do you actually stand FOR? It's a question I've been pondering for a few days now, so I figured I'd just take the simple route and pose it.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#422 - 2014-02-02 00:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
I left the militia a few years ago...

As to your question... I am sorry, I just enjoy questioning things and am uh.. rather curious by nature. Maybe I stand for innovation and knowledge ? However I am not particularly fond of waste and inefficiency... Maybe am I some kind of technocrat at heart ?

Some people find it easy to define themselves with an absolute, determined certainty. Well, in my case I do not...
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#423 - 2014-02-02 01:43:36 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I left the militia a few years ago...

As to your question... I am sorry, I just enjoy questioning things and am uh.. rather curious by nature. Maybe I stand for innovation and knowledge ? However I am not particularly fond of waste and inefficiency... Maybe am I some kind of technocrat at heart ?

Some people find it easy to define themselves with an absolute, determined certainty. Well, in my case I do not...

No need to apologise. Questioning is the way of things, for a life unchallenged never improves. Perhaps we'll speak at length sometime, indulging said curiosity. Ask anyone who really knows me, I rarely reign mine in.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#424 - 2014-02-02 03:10:39 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

I do not see how. You call me worthless for doing the exact same thing you seem to enjoy immensely ? Speaking of being contradictory...


You do not have a recorded kill since July of YC 114, I would not say we do the exact same things that we enjoy.

I called you worthless, because you serve no purpose as far as I can see. Just a pointless IGS ornament with affectations of intellect.

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#425 - 2014-02-02 04:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
I didn't know you needed to kill to be worth something in your world. I'm not surprised, I guess, but I had assumed that you were above the usual kill-board measuring.

-Eran
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#426 - 2014-02-02 04:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Eran Mintor wrote:
I didn't know you needed to kill to be worth something in your world. I'm not surprised, I guess, but I had assumed that you were above the usual kill-board measuring.

-Eran


I respect those, irrespective of their politics, who fight with conviction for a cause they believe in. I admire those who possess martial skill and daring regardless of their origin.

Ms. Farel strikes me as a woman lacking in any personal qualities that I hold in high regard and nothing yet has given me cause to change my negative estimation of their character.

That being said, aside from my being somewhat flippant, that she meant I somehow, "enjoy" expressing thought and opinion here on the IGS as much as she does. Nothing could be further from the truth, in fact it is a somewhat onerous task, but one I find necessary in order to provide a fair and balanced commentary on occassion to defend the Caldari Fatherland against the pernicious assaults of ignorant jaijii and liberal intellectuals who would insult it. It is a duty and obligation for where culture is concerned it at times must be defended with pointed words just as much as pointed bullets I'm afraid. Granted, I would prefer the latter.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#427 - 2014-02-02 10:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
I didn't know you needed to kill to be worth something in your world. I'm not surprised, I guess, but I had assumed that you were above the usual kill-board measuring.

-Eran


I respect those, irrespective of their politics, who fight with conviction for a cause they believe in. I admire those who possess martial skill and daring regardless of their origin.


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Ms. Farel strikes me as a woman lacking in any personal qualities that I hold in high regard and nothing yet has given me cause to change my negative estimation of their character.


The feeling is reciprocal.

Though I found some of your views on several things rather interesting... It is sad.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
That being said, aside from my being somewhat flippant, that she meant I somehow, "enjoy" expressing thought and opinion here on the IGS as much as she does. Nothing could be further from the truth, in fact it is a somewhat onerous task, but one I find necessary in order to provide a fair and balanced commentary on occassion to defend the Caldari Fatherland against the pernicious assaults of ignorant jaijii and liberal intellectuals who would insult it. It is a duty and obligation for where culture is concerned it at times must be defended with pointed words just as much as pointed bullets I'm afraid. Granted, I would prefer the latter.


I do not do it especially out of enjoyment either, but rather curiosity. In that, I am not that different...
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#428 - 2014-02-02 10:33:09 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I left the militia a few years ago...

As to your question... I am sorry, I just enjoy questioning things and am uh.. rather curious by nature. Maybe I stand for innovation and knowledge ? However I am not particularly fond of waste and inefficiency... Maybe am I some kind of technocrat at heart ?

Some people find it easy to define themselves with an absolute, determined certainty. Well, in my case I do not...

No need to apologise. Questioning is the way of things, for a life unchallenged never improves. Perhaps we'll speak at length sometime, indulging said curiosity. Ask anyone who really knows me, I rarely reign mine in.


I see ! Thank you, I will keep it in mind then.
Sonya Kozlova
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#429 - 2014-02-02 23:51:36 UTC
God, praise be to Him, will hold the Minmatar usurpers to task for their deeds.

If some are truly willing to stand for peace, then they should. If they don't, and Eternal War is the grace of the Lord, then it shall be fulfilled.

I would like to be proved wrong, but I feel the only end to the Minmatar question will to the barrel of lasers and artillery.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#430 - 2014-02-03 03:53:37 UTC
Sonya Kozlova wrote:
God, praise be to Him, will hold the Minmatar usurpers to task for their deeds.

If some are truly willing to stand for peace, then they should. If they don't, and Eternal War is the grace of the Lord, then it shall be fulfilled.

I would like to be proved wrong, but I feel the only end to the Minmatar question will to the barrel of lasers and artillery.

Something tells me you've not bothered to try very hard before moving to the easy solution. Does God embrace the quick and easy? Or does he challenge you to rise above that? According to what I've read of your Scriptures, the Amarr are his representatives. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty bent on having representation that actually tries, were I am omniscient deity.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#431 - 2014-02-03 04:40:17 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#432 - 2014-02-03 04:55:33 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.


If you truly believe what you say, then I'd imagine you have no respect for the retired veterans that fought for your country.

History is fixed. The actions an individual does today don't change what they did yesterday, be it good or bad. Whether or not you agree with Ms. Farel's current lifestyle is irrelevant. You cannot deny her past accomplishments.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#433 - 2014-02-03 06:45:21 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

If you truly believe what you say, then I'd imagine you have no respect for the retired veterans that fought for your country.


Retirement is for the dead.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#434 - 2014-02-03 09:15:58 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.


If you truly believe what you say, then I'd imagine you have no respect for the retired veterans that fought for your country.

History is fixed. The actions an individual does today don't change what they did yesterday, be it good or bad. Whether or not you agree with Ms. Farel's current lifestyle is irrelevant. You cannot deny her past accomplishments.


I would like to ask, as an interested individual, what these achievements are? I ask not out of spite or disdain, but genuine curiosity. You seem to give a lot of respect to this woman, and I would be pleased if you could tell me why.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#435 - 2014-02-03 14:24:21 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.


If you truly believe what you say, then I'd imagine you have no respect for the retired veterans that fought for your country.

History is fixed. The actions an individual does today don't change what they did yesterday, be it good or bad. Whether or not you agree with Ms. Farel's current lifestyle is irrelevant. You cannot deny her past accomplishments.


I would like to ask, as an interested individual, what these achievements are? I ask not out of spite or disdain, but genuine curiosity. You seem to give a lot of respect to this woman, and I would be pleased if you could tell me why.


I respect all human beings until I see a reason not to. Ms. Farel has had a long life as a capsuleer and seems to have been involved in numerous activities, including Militia work. I dont know her very well personally but I will say this. The cluster is survival of the fittest at the end of the day. For her to still be around suggest a degree of success.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#436 - 2014-02-03 15:38:15 UTC
Have you tried to actually die since you were made a capsuleer? If you stay to the capsuleer only section of orbitals and maintain the CONCORD pilot's license fee it is really hard to actually die, as a capsuleer.

In addition, we have a saying in the State - "What have you done for me lately?"

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#437 - 2014-02-03 18:25:44 UTC
The capsuleer curse requires constant service to redeem. It requires that its power be used to protect those who require protection, in one way or another.

It requires that the capsuleer work to protect the culture, the faith, the values of the Empire.

And it requires that the capsuleer does not work to undermine their own culture. People like Lyn would do well to recall the code of demeanor on matters of thought:

Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#438 - 2014-02-03 19:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.


I do not find those especially worth of anything,. I understand that you would love to see me asking for respect and privilege for that, but I do not see why I should.

Unlike yourself.

That is an interesting state of mind, though.

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The capsuleer curse requires constant service to redeem. It requires that its power be used to protect those who require protection, in one way or another.

It requires that the capsuleer work to protect the culture, the faith, the values of the Empire.

And it requires that the capsuleer does not work to undermine their own culture. People like Lyn would do well to recall the code of demeanor on matters of thought:

Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life.


What makes you say that, sir ?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#439 - 2014-02-03 20:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life.
this actually scares me more then the possibility of Diana Kim in a Titan.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#440 - 2014-02-03 20:38:47 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Which I did in the past, and for infinite more longer than you did in your entire, tiny capsuleer life. Of course, I never measured my effectiveness through killboards. That is for cannon fodder pilots.


If you all you have is your past laurels for comfort and a delusional sense of privilege and accomplishment then by all means feel free to rest on them.


I do not find those especially worth of anything,. I understand that you would love to see me asking for respect and privilege for that, but I do not see why I should.

Unlike yourself.

That is an interesting state of mind, though.


Sweet Maker wept you're a dense one. Where did I state anything about you asking for respect? Do you now fail as much at comprehension as your attempts at dialectical questioning?

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