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I don't see where skill is involved with EVE Online.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#21 - 2014-01-31 18:51:11 UTC
Plenty of "fancy P2W-attempt" killmails to prove you wrong...

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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-31 18:54:52 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.



The only time skill is involved is in small gang/solo pvp. Knowing how to effectively use the ship and weapons you have to win the engagement is skill.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2014-01-31 18:55:49 UTC
How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?



Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#24 - 2014-01-31 18:58:19 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
How did yet another "Star Citizen > Eve" thread make it to a second page?



Star Citizen aka Hangar Offline will surely kill Eve, just like X: Rebirth did.


I wasn't playing EVE when Star Trek Online came out, but wasn't that supposed to kill EVE, too?
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-01-31 18:59:39 UTC
Gaj Butler wrote:
I've been playing now for a few weeks and tbh every one I see in PVP just has faction stuff. Since you can buy ISK, EVE is really just pay to win, you can just buy yourself to the top, just get all the best gear and it doesn't matter if you lose it as you can just buy more with real money. This ruins the game really, there is no feeling of loss as no time has been put in to get anything, I bet most people in PVP just buy their way to it. The exception is the large guilds or whatever you call them in this game, they're always the exception, they're so big they can just own large portions of real estate and never be out of pocket.

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill. On top of that you have to wait ages for skills to train....... why? Why am I wasting my life here? My friends who got me into the game, just tend to login to put a new skill on train and log out. It is a pointless passive system that really is not a good mechanic at all, no one finds it fun and it means skills don't require skill to train. I mean if it was like taking a medical test in America's Army 2, then yeah, that is training, how this game does it though... just tedious for all.

I just do not find any redeeming quality to combat in EVE, to me it is pay to win, buy a character with skills, buy isk to get the best stuff...

At this point I'll just be waiting for Star Citizen to do Space Combat well, unlike EVE.

Sir, skill in eve does not revolve around button mashing. Its more about some math, physx and that kind of stuff



i was gona as for this dudes stuff but i now i think he dont have any
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#26 - 2014-01-31 19:01:19 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
0/10

Put in more effort next time



this.





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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-01-31 19:02:18 UTC
Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.

I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#28 - 2014-01-31 19:05:15 UTC
Faction fit ships are just loot piñata's waiting to happen.

The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother.
Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died.
Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M.
So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.

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Othran
Route One
#29 - 2014-01-31 19:06:44 UTC
Between Othran and other alts I'm near as dammit perfect on all T1/T2/T3 subcaps.

Can I fly them - absolutely I can. Have I flown them all? No. Do I know how to fly some in PvP and not die - yep, no worries there but I assume that I AM going to **** up at some point when flying a "new" (to me) ship.

I generally assume it'll take five or six losses of that shiptype before I know the best options for me.

Amusingly I turned down the loan of a Drake for a roam yesterday - simply because I have never even owned a Drake, never mind flown one.

tl;dr this isn't WoW/other level based games, you can kill anyone in Eve provided they undock. Simple as that.
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#30 - 2014-01-31 19:08:36 UTC
You can have all the isk in the game, and fully pimp fit a ship, and then a 2 day old noob can come along and destroy that. That is the beauty of Eve, doesn't matter how much isk or skills or the setup you have, or how long you play, you can still die.

As for skill for PVP, setup is a huge amount of skill, when to attack, when to run, what angle to run at, how to manage cap, point, when to overload, when to do all other kinds of crazy ****! PVP isn't easy :P
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-01-31 19:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Xearal wrote:
Faction fit ships are just loot piñata's waiting to happen.

The last PvP engagement I was in, we had 10 T1 frigates, with T1 modules, and no rigs, versus 3 Battleships and 2 battlecruisers, all T2 fit and rigged, they died horribly due to our skill at flying our little stingers. The reason, they were not properly coordinated, had no synergy with their ships aside from the 2 domi's using RR and Remote cap transfer on eachother.
Our fleet was a well thought out, well set up, and well executed fleet that had a cohesive strategy, thus they died.
Our losses were under 4M, theirs, nearly 800M.
So Faction mods are P2W are they? I think not.


Gaj Butler wrote:

When you get into combat, EVE never has skilled fighters, it is all who has paid more, who has more friends or which ship counters the other... there is never skill.


your example ticks 2 out of 3 possible boxes for "no skill" pvp - if that's the best you come up with then maybe OP has a point.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-31 19:12:46 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I...I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet, so...can I have your stuff?


He is only a couple weeks old. I would think he has nothing to give away.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-01-31 19:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Damn forums with their drafts and post eating double post causing glitches.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-01-31 19:14:10 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.

I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o

Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once.

I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register.

No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.

I did get the pod out, though. Bear
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#35 - 2014-01-31 19:18:20 UTC
You win in eve when your opponent makes a mistake before you do.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-01-31 19:18:27 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:


I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register.

No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.
Bear


A fitted cyno and a small cruiser gang hot drop would have saved your vexor.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-01-31 19:19:36 UTC
guys, let him pay to win. I can't wait to see a deadspace fitted dual tanked shiny BC km from this noob.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2014-01-31 19:19:55 UTC
I'm not kidding OP. If you want to understand Eve pvp and are willing to learn, eve mail me.

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Othran
Route One
#39 - 2014-01-31 19:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Frank Millar wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Odd, and here's me thinking that PvP comes down to who can wrestle their adrenaline better.

I still do wrong things in the heat of battle sometimes. But, according to the OP I can avoid having to make critical decisions by just paying to win. What a relief o.o

Heh. This made me remember a gate camp I was in once.

I experienced tunnel vision and was so busy pewing that bait Drake, that the Megathron crossing my screen didn't even register.

No amount of isk could have saved my Vexor that day.

I did get the pod out, though. Bear


The tip for the newbie from that is to move locked targets near the shield/armour/structure indicator so you see them at the same time.

Everyone gets target fixation sometimes :)
Arc'Los Xyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-01-31 19:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Arc'Los Xyn
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Morganta wrote:
you vs a "skilled" player in identical ships with no boosters or implants = you dead

even if you buy a character with skills and can "fly" a particular ship well, you still have no clue about tactics or the role and use of your ship or skills

so there's a ton of skill, skill that has to be learned by your character and skill that has to be learned by you


Generally the best learning is accomplished by getting your ass kicked and dying. Smile


to the OP .., I do THIS all day long in RvB ..

I have been for 2 hours every other night now. I ask for a 1v1 and they usually ask me what ship i want them in.. or ask what ship I'm using for it.

read my posts if you want a breakdown of my journey into discovering how PvP works in EvE.
its never an ideal situation as a 1v1.. but even those. require proper "set-up" to tip the odds in your favor.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread

those Skills you got Queu'ed ? thats only ONE factor of what you need to even FLY.
the most important skills in EvE.. especially in PvP can not be bought with a skill book or with al the ISK in New Eden.
I'm barely 2 months into it.. and if it wasn't for all the well experienced.. and truly skilled players in eve , i woulda never thought it was possible to beat another player piloting a "better" ship.

http://ahanddrawnlife.tumblr.com my artwork ! The Journey : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=315016&find=unread