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[Rubicon 1.3] New way of acquiring the Astero, Stratios and Nestor

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#41 - 2014-01-31 15:45:06 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered.
You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions.
Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.


CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away.

I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.


Well said. it means that people like me (who don't live anywhere near pure blind) have a reason to do the random rogue drone anomalies that pop up from time to time in our non-drone regions. But yea it is a nerf to Pure Blind mission runners because most of them were taking advantage of the cheaper LP costs for the ships.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#42 - 2014-01-31 15:48:57 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up.


okay, I at least see the reasoning here. Given a close LP/isk ratio on both probes and ships they might choose probes, anticipating the price of ships dropping, but that would be quickly moderated by the next guy choosing to cash out in BPCs. The long term LP value is not expected to go up, so announcing this wouldn't encourage people to hold onto their LP. Thanks for elaborating.

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Combat Wombatz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-01-31 15:51:48 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered.
You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions.
Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.


CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away.

I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.


This man, right here.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-01-31 15:52:45 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

So the low end rated complexes will still be ignored, they have no sentient spawn. But the unrated complexes have a chance.

Can you consider anything else for the drone sites, they have been devistated by the over buff loot drops from relic sites.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-01-31 16:08:33 UTC
what about having drone sites drop asteros in highsec, stratios in lowsec, and nestors in nullsec?

(You know, like how guristas drop worms in highsec, gilas in lowsec, and rattlers in null?)

My mistake if this is what you are proposing.

The reason I say this is because drone sites are extremely useless in lowsec/highsec space at the moment. It would be a good idea to make them worth running. (I'm talking about Ruins, Outgrowth rogue drone hive, rogue drone infestation sprout, etc.)

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#46 - 2014-01-31 16:10:41 UTC
Someone took pity on PL.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#47 - 2014-01-31 16:31:52 UTC
All pirate ships have BPCs that drop from plexes. So SoE ship BPCs should drop from plexes.

All pirate missions are in null and have LP stores that sell pirate ships/BPCs. So SoE ships/BPCs should only be allowed to be sold from the Sanctuary corp LP store.

It is really the only way to make them fair and in balance to the other pirate hulls.

Or you could introduce pirate-coop npc corps in hisec that have equivalent ship/BPC LP prices that SoE currently has.

My .02 isk.
Jamir Von Lietuva
Nameless Minions
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#48 - 2014-01-31 17:10:29 UTC
wow this is another nerf to hisec and big buff to null pirat what ccp think all player will leave and crash the economy
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-01-31 17:15:18 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.

I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.



That is why I said will crash due to players overreaction....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Wotan Rexus
Pawnstars INC
#50 - 2014-01-31 17:16:31 UTC
Good idea, Rise.
Geopolitically speaking, the Drone regions sourly needed a boost. The sov-games seemed a little clustered, lately. This might spread it out a bit, so the the enormous task of redeploying giant fleets, will be even harder. Makes it easier for other lesser regional players, renters etc. To get a chance to grow.

Ofc, this is speculation, on my part. But initially, it looks kosher, in that optic.
Personally, i dont give 2 cents for the market arguments. Lord knows that the maverick traders, scammers and other invertabrates have plenty of opportunities and isk, as it is. Funding for large operations seems to be doing alright (ie. The biggest fight ever just happened...). So what if the Sisters LPs dont present an even larger buisness opportunity for one particular demography? At least we will have some hopefully very cool ships to play with. If they are expensive, then make more isk.
EVE is about isk, in the end. So everybody should at least ensure their isk-earning abilities. And with these new incentives for PvE, who knows? Might even be fun to rat in Drone-null again:-)

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Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-01-31 17:25:51 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.


right on cueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
JackEuchre
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-01-31 17:34:07 UTC
This is a GOOD thing for eve.

Consider that to get a Macharial, very few toons are missioning for Angels and cashing in 800k LP. Instead, they are doing 8/10s, 10/10s and hoping for the 1 in a million drop on a belt.

All the pirate ships have that option, in addition to missioning, and the SOE ships were pegged in price to the Pirate Faction ships. This does bring in balance. But if you try to compare to Navy faction, even those have FW stores for reduced rates. SOE had NO equivalent alternative to get the ships but to grind missions non stop....

Drones have been completely useless and irrelevant since they took away the mineral drops. Their bounties are ok, but Blood Raiders rats in Stain are way more valuable - and those could drop a Bhalgorn. Drones needed a balance.

JackEuchre
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2014-01-31 17:36:20 UTC
I, for one, welcome our new PL Nestor fleet overlords.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
JackEuchre
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-01-31 17:43:45 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.


right on cueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



Then they need to nerf Guristas areas so they don't drop Rattlesnakes, Gilas and Worms or any PITH type loot.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-01-31 17:43:55 UTC
Personally I would have preferred that the Nestor was made into a more useful and focused ship.

I still won't buy one but at least with this change I might make one if I find a BPC.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-01-31 17:48:32 UTC
The data/relics could use a boost in some way as well. In most of nullsec, you have the prospect of finding faction tower BPCs which can be worth quite a lot.

In drone space? Oh yeah, faction drone BPC worth 10m!! YAYYYyyyy.....
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-01-31 17:55:37 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.

this is pure gold. covered in gold and in a gold case with a golden ribbon on top.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Beta Maoye
#58 - 2014-01-31 17:59:58 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Someone took pity on PL.

Let's hope PL can rally their forces again.
Kat Ayclism
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-01-31 18:07:47 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Hello

after PL lost 4.5 trilltion isk we are going to make thier home the drone regions drop really valuable bpc's so they can make thier money back Big smile



I love the drone regions btw... I was in FREGE!

CCP PL uses CCP SOLOBACK as forum meatshield just as we use everyone else as a meatshield :911:

stoicfaux wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Why do the Sisters want drone chips?

edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it?

We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P

"Sisters" of EVE. Rogue Drones. A lot of hive/colony animals (e.g. bees, ants) are predominately female...

/stocks_up_on_droid_restraining_bolts


Sisters of EVE = 3 Es
Es are backwards 3s
Halflife 3 confirmed.
JackEuchre
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-01-31 18:13:53 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and Rise, another thing.

Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs.
Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.

this is pure gold. covered in gold and in a gold case with a golden ribbon on top.



I would agree except Sentinent drones spawn in Hierarchies which spawn in ALL areas of Eve, not just drone regions. Just saying, I see drone site anomalies everywhere I go. When in Drone regions, I don't see Angel sites though. I don't see Guristas sites.