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Dev Blog: The Bloodbath of B-R5RB, Gaming’s Most Destructive Battle

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Erien Rand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-01-29 23:36:35 UTC
Excellent write up CCP Dolan
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-01-29 23:39:37 UTC
Did Dr EyjoG go comatose with the butcher's bill?

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#63 - 2014-01-29 23:51:33 UTC
brinelan wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Sumthing



Tinfoil much?

It's the Dinsdale, he's made out of tinfoil, possible in the shape of a hedgehog.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#64 - 2014-01-30 00:14:27 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Zhentar wrote:
How many titans are left, if 75 were killed? The total used to get published in the QEN but I don't recall if we have seen a recent number?


Nope, and you likely won't be seeing numbers like that anytime soon. I'm very much against CCP handing out 100% accurate and important, tactical and economic information to our players about the sandbox. If you want to know how many active titans there are atm, there are plenty of excellent killboards to mine for data! Twisted


Because there is zero chance that CCP and the null sec cartels want the true explosion in proliferation of supercaps in the game known, due to the blue'ing of null, letting PvE to be industrialized to a level never seen before, and the amount of incredibly rich players that can afford 100 billion ISK losses to explode in quantity as well.

A very few short years ago, 100 billion ISK in assets defined a small to medium sized alliance.
Now, we have individual players who replace Titan losses the next day.

These numbers are meaningless unless put in context of the overall supercaps in the game, and no way does CCP want that info to get out, as it trivializes this fight, which it should.

Oh, I also see no mention in this report about the fact that the 2 major protagonists, PL and cfc, have signed an agreement never to attack each other's primary ISK generation systems, which includes most of Eve Sov. This tussle was simply a staged fight, part of the thunderdome suggested by Shadoo months ago, a mechanism for very rich boys to play with very expensive toys.

Small things like that kind of put a damper on any marketing about how important this fight was, right?


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CCP Manifest
CCP Retirement Home
#65 - 2014-01-30 01:24:36 UTC
I added two more amazing links to the devblog...
@alizabethvea 's in depth write-up on the ships involved, what Sov is about and more context for the battle.
http://themittani.com/features/largest-virtual-battle-ever

And another JUST PLAIN GOOD video.
http://youtu.be/lvB2nRGMl2c

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Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-01-30 01:31:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Zhentar wrote:
How many titans are left, if 75 were killed? The total used to get published in the QEN but I don't recall if we have seen a recent number?


Nope, and you likely won't be seeing numbers like that anytime soon. I'm very much against CCP handing out 100% accurate and important, tactical and economic information to our players about the sandbox. If you want to know how many active titans there are atm, there are plenty of excellent killboards to mine for data! Twisted


Because there is zero chance that CCP and the null sec cartels want the true explosion in proliferation of supercaps in the game known, due to the blue'ing of null, letting PvE to be industrialized to a level never seen before, and the amount of incredibly rich players that can afford 100 billion ISK losses to explode in quantity as well.

A very few short years ago, 100 billion ISK in assets defined a small to medium sized alliance.
Now, we have individual players who replace Titan losses the next day.

These numbers are meaningless unless put in context of the overall supercaps in the game, and no way does CCP want that info to get out, as it trivializes this fight, which it should.

Oh, I also see no mention in this report about the fact that the 2 major protagonists, PL and cfc, have signed an agreement never to attack each other's primary ISK generation systems, which includes most of Eve Sov. This tussle was simply a staged fight, part of the thunderdome suggested by Shadoo months ago, a mechanism for very rich boys to play with very expensive toys.

Small things like that kind of put a damper on any marketing about how important this fight was, right?


Unfortunately for CCP, the nullbear controlled CSM and for nullbears in general the above is the perception that many non nullbear players have of the game and why they stay away from 0.0 - that 0.0 is rigged to favor the flavor of the year alliances. If a dev can say explicitly where carebears are using the tractor thingy the most and how many are being used so that griefers, piwates, gankers, awoxers, etc. too know they can also tell us where nullbears are hiding their goodies and in what numbers. I hear equlity is big in the news these days....or so they say.
Bear
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#67 - 2014-01-30 02:13:53 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
I added two more amazing links to the devblog...
@alizabethvea 's in depth write-up on the ships involved, what Sov is about and more context for the battle.
http://themittani.com/features/largest-virtual-battle-ever

And another JUST PLAIN GOOD video.
http://youtu.be/lvB2nRGMl2c

All those edits and no one can be bothered to link some source material (hint: Wikipedia perhaps?) explaining the name "Titanomachy". I guess no one reads tweets.

MDD X
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-01-30 04:50:23 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
I have heard it said that the number of lost titans in B-R was about 10% of the pre-engagement total.


75 titans died. Two years ago, they were being built at about 100/year and there were almost 1000 in game. Construction dropped off when NC fell. Then the the nerf hit and the demand for the ships dropped off a lot, further decreasing construction. There may have been around 1,100 titans before B-R. So, a bit under 10% seems about right. Pretty massive impact.

mynnna wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I think we all should take a moment and salute the super capital heros of N3PL for jumping into that blood bath outnumbered 2:1.

o7

Only EUTZ. USTZ supers clearly cowarded out and didn't jump. How else do you explain the lack of a USTZ bump in numbers? Twisted

Like Laz said, when Manny handed off FC after not sleeping for over 24 hours and Vince wasted time killing Sort, the battle was decided. CFC is far more US-heavy while PL is Euro-heavy, so it would've been a pretty pointless waste of an extra pile of titans at that point to keep feeding that fight.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-01-30 09:48:03 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I think we all should take a moment and salute the super capital heros of N3PL for jumping into that blood bath outnumbered 2:1.

o7

Only EUTZ. USTZ supers clearly cowarded out and didn't jump. How else do you explain the lack of a USTZ bump in numbers? Twisted

Like Laz said, when Manny handed off FC after not sleeping for over 24 hours and Vince wasted time killing Sort, the battle was decided. CFC is far more US-heavy while PL is Euro-heavy, so it would've been a pretty pointless waste of an extra pile of titans at that point to keep feeding that fight.

Shhhhh... don't mess with their narrative. Blink
Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#70 - 2014-01-30 11:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Billy Hix
Aryth wrote:
We do so miss Diagoras


Agreed,

On the bright side we will have the Minutes out in only 3 months this time. I have come into possession of the first draft

Session one - Title Redacted - NDA
Session Two - Title Redacted - NDA
Session Three - Title redacted - NDA
Lunch
Session Four- Title redacted - NDA
etc.
etc.

Dolan final comments. As you can see we had a productive summit and I am proud that my new system has managed to get these minutes out in only 3 months

I did laugh at Ripard Tegs comment that Dolan wanted to NDA the title "Looking at big fights" until it was pointed out they had already announced a session on it. The fact Titles like that are NDA, shows what Dolan thinks of the CSM and the players. It will be interesting to see how long he lasts.
Ben Bone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-01-30 11:43:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Zhentar wrote:
How many titans are left, if 75 were killed? The total used to get published in the QEN but I don't recall if we have seen a recent number?


Nope, and you likely won't be seeing numbers like that anytime soon. I'm very much against CCP handing out 100% accurate and important, tactical and economic information to our players about the sandbox. If you want to know how many active titans there are atm, there are plenty of excellent killboards to mine for data! Twisted


Because there is zero chance that CCP and the null sec cartels want the true explosion in proliferation of supercaps in the game known, due to the blue'ing of null, letting PvE to be industrialized to a level never seen before, and the amount of incredibly rich players that can afford 100 billion ISK losses to explode in quantity as well.

A very few short years ago, 100 billion ISK in assets defined a small to medium sized alliance.
Now, we have individual players who replace Titan losses the next day.

These numbers are meaningless unless put in context of the overall supercaps in the game, and no way does CCP want that info to get out, as it trivializes this fight, which it should.

Oh, I also see no mention in this report about the fact that the 2 major protagonists, PL and cfc, have signed an agreement never to attack each other's primary ISK generation systems, which includes most of Eve Sov. This tussle was simply a staged fight, part of the thunderdome suggested by Shadoo months ago, a mechanism for very rich boys to play with very expensive toys.

Small things like that kind of put a damper on any marketing about how important this fight was, right?


Sup Dinsdale,

I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons that releasing economic or military data that is 100% accurate disproportionately favors those who are more wealthy and able to more accurately estimate what percentage of the announced statistic they control. But no, it's clearly that other reason.......
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#72 - 2014-01-30 14:40:29 UTC
Ben Bone wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Zhentar wrote:
How many titans are left, if 75 were killed? The total used to get published in the QEN but I don't recall if we have seen a recent number?


Nope, and you likely won't be seeing numbers like that anytime soon. I'm very much against CCP handing out 100% accurate and important, tactical and economic information to our players about the sandbox. If you want to know how many active titans there are atm, there are plenty of excellent killboards to mine for data! Twisted


Because there is zero chance that CCP and the null sec cartels want the true explosion in proliferation of supercaps in the game known, due to the blue'ing of null, letting PvE to be industrialized to a level never seen before, and the amount of incredibly rich players that can afford 100 billion ISK losses to explode in quantity as well.

A very few short years ago, 100 billion ISK in assets defined a small to medium sized alliance.
Now, we have individual players who replace Titan losses the next day.

These numbers are meaningless unless put in context of the overall supercaps in the game, and no way does CCP want that info to get out, as it trivializes this fight, which it should.

Oh, I also see no mention in this report about the fact that the 2 major protagonists, PL and cfc, have signed an agreement never to attack each other's primary ISK generation systems, which includes most of Eve Sov. This tussle was simply a staged fight, part of the thunderdome suggested by Shadoo months ago, a mechanism for very rich boys to play with very expensive toys.

Small things like that kind of put a damper on any marketing about how important this fight was, right?


Sup Dinsdale,

I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons that releasing economic or military data that is 100% accurate disproportionately favors those who are more wealthy and able to more accurately estimate what percentage of the announced statistic they control. But no, it's clearly that other reason.......


I daresay that every major alliance/ blue group has spies at all levels in the other alliances / bluegroups. goons' success can be directly attributed to their intelligence network. Further, every major group knows how many Titans they have available to them.

To suggest that every major power in the game does NOT already know, +/- 10%, how many supercaps exist in the game is ludicrous.

But there is no way they want that information made common knowledge to the general Eve population.
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-01-30 16:36:27 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Ben Bone wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Zhentar wrote:
How many titans are left, if 75 were killed? The total used to get published in the QEN but I don't recall if we have seen a recent number?


Nope, and you likely won't be seeing numbers like that anytime soon. I'm very much against CCP handing out 100% accurate and important, tactical and economic information to our players about the sandbox. If you want to know how many active titans there are atm, there are plenty of excellent killboards to mine for data! Twisted


Because there is zero chance that CCP and the null sec cartels want the true explosion in proliferation of supercaps in the game known, due to the blue'ing of null, letting PvE to be industrialized to a level never seen before, and the amount of incredibly rich players that can afford 100 billion ISK losses to explode in quantity as well.

A very few short years ago, 100 billion ISK in assets defined a small to medium sized alliance.
Now, we have individual players who replace Titan losses the next day.

These numbers are meaningless unless put in context of the overall supercaps in the game, and no way does CCP want that info to get out, as it trivializes this fight, which it should.

Oh, I also see no mention in this report about the fact that the 2 major protagonists, PL and cfc, have signed an agreement never to attack each other's primary ISK generation systems, which includes most of Eve Sov. This tussle was simply a staged fight, part of the thunderdome suggested by Shadoo months ago, a mechanism for very rich boys to play with very expensive toys.

Small things like that kind of put a damper on any marketing about how important this fight was, right?


Sup Dinsdale,

I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons that releasing economic or military data that is 100% accurate disproportionately favors those who are more wealthy and able to more accurately estimate what percentage of the announced statistic they control. But no, it's clearly that other reason.......


I daresay that every major alliance/ blue group has spies at all levels in the other alliances / bluegroups. goons' success can be directly attributed to their intelligence network. Further, every major group knows how many Titans they have available to them.

To suggest that every major power in the game does NOT already know, +/- 10%, how many supercaps exist in the game is ludicrous.

But there is no way they want that information made common knowledge to the general Eve population.


I just stated a couple comments above roughly how many titans were in the game. Roughly 1,100. Now the titan population hovers at about 1,000. Supercarrier proliferation exploded far more than titans did, as they were significantly less expensive and their "fit every drone you could ever want to use in a fight and spit out 20+ at a time" was extremely overpowered. However, after the dronebay nerf, production dropped off hard. There were roughly 2 supercarriers built every day in 2010-2011 though, so they had plenty of time to spiral out of control already. That said, the nerf was near perfect in neutering the "do all things" aspect of the supercarrier to the point that PL, for instance, practically only uses them as giant, hard to kill, remote rep platforms now. We just have to keep in mind how many are out there though in case some genius starts talking about buffing them to do a bunch of different things again. 3,463 existed two years ago, so there are likely close to 4,000 now.
Attrael
Umokka Research and Technology Institute
#74 - 2014-01-30 20:50:36 UTC
I think the most pressing question though is how many innocent crew members lost their lives during this fight? How many shattered families have been left in the wake of this slaughter? Didn't anyone think to hold a moment of silence for their sacrifice?!? Twisted
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#75 - 2014-01-31 14:34:43 UTC
I have no idea how sov is billed, however I find the mechanics silly. Lets fight months
with thousand of people for an important asset and if you forget to check a box in your corp
wallet you loose it without a notice. Silly mechanics! I have the gate jump effect, def
makes up for that.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#76 - 2014-02-01 02:46:47 UTC
Samuel Wess wrote:
I have no idea how sov is billed, however I find the mechanics silly. Lets fight months
with thousand of people for an important asset and if you forget to check a box in your corp
wallet you loose it without a notice. Silly mechanics! I have the gate jump effect, def
makes up for that.



Forgetting to turn on your damage control is just as devastating - It's no one else's fault you're terrible at sov.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-02-02 02:27:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I daresay that every major alliance/ blue group has spies at all levels in the other alliances / bluegroups. goons' success can be directly attributed to their intelligence network. Further, every major group knows how many Titans they have available to them.


Without debate, we have the biggest, the best, most awe-inspiring intel network in the ******* game. We have no less than twelve Black Legion spies. TWELVE Black Legion spies.

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Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#78 - 2014-02-03 10:25:29 UTC
Quote:
Unfortunately, when CONCORD tried to extract the ISK (EVE’s currency) that would maintain sovereignty in the system for another month, they found that H A V O C had left their automatic payment unchecked.


:irony:

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