EVE General Discussion

go look at the threads about ESS, unified inventory, odyssey exploration, jump animation, the various ship rebalance (interceptor for example), both in F&I and SISI feedback.

and i'm just naming a few, they have all one thing in common, they do contain feedback / proposal from player and / or legitimate arguments explaining, with details, WHY the current iteration is not good or why the idea is bad, yet, they were ALL ignored by CCP. plain and simple

let's take for example the jump animation.

during the devellopment, some dev warned about the fact that the animation was causing motion sickness inducing deeziness and headaches.

they ignored it, pushed to SISI

while on SISI, players made the very same feedback, and were ignored

it then reached TQ, and is still there, from day 1, a topic in general discussion was created, with many post asking that, at least, CCP add an option to turn off the animation, for the vary same reasons, yet to this day, the only answer CCP gave is more or less HTFU.

and this is the same thing everytime, so yeah, sure, it is the right solution to actually post constructive feedback.....

Then vote with your wallet man! Biomass, unsub, and never look back. Let these guys at CCP know that you will not be ignored and you mean serious business or, you know, keep brow beating in GD. Hell if they ignore you in the places that they're looking for feedback what in the hell makes you think they're not ignoring you here?

It's probably because we're accustomed to spreadsheets and numbers ;)


Software Developer, yes- been programming since I was in my teens, studied it at University and have had a career doing so for the past 5 years or so.

Unemployed, no, and fairly happily so. I don't know enough Python to apply to CCP either, but I have entertained the thought.


Didn't mean to sound condescending with the Release Candidate aside, just was trying to be aware of the wider audience here in GD. TBH, your response was pretty much what I was hoping for and expected.

Your release cycle does seem crazily short to me- while I love the release early, release often mentality, I wouldn't have thought it 100% appropriate for EVE given the fact that you can only release once a day on a normal basis. Still, good to hear that the RCs are deployed to SiSi ahead of patches- maybe worth highlighting this to the general community on a more regular basis to spur player involvement in testing. Also concerning that some of the bugs weren't caught on SiSi- makes me think that there's more than code changes going on (hence the insistence of more frequent mirroring of Tranquillity, not that I have the foggiest whether that was the crucial difference in this case).

Don't have anything to say about your testing practices, seem perfectly kosher to me!

I guess the only thing really missing from the whole equation is a) whether these bugs were known before release and knowingly allowed into it (unlikely, but concerning if they were), or b) how they slipped past the various levels of testing (also concerning). Be interesting to hear the results of that. As I'm sure you know (but others may not), one of the core tenets of Agile is finding a process that works for you by constantly iterating on what's working and what isn't. Deal-breakers making it into production like this is a big red flag that something isn't right, so I'm curious to hear about what that was and how it gets fixed.

Also, very much looking forward to the DevBlog on your process (which maybe can cover some of the 'fixing what went wrong with 1.1', perhaps?), although maybe you can name some of your keen contributors so they can be held to account... otherwise I'll bug you and only you about it ;)

Any chance that you can poke someone who is responsible for the other areas to comment?

Regardless, thanks for taking the time to answer what you could, CCP Goliath.

THAT is the definition of constructive.

I don't post on these forums much but I will say that sadly this looks more and more like the option to take. And it's a shame really. I've played eve more on than off, with various characters, for nearly ten years now. I've put time into this game that most ordinary people wouldn't invest into a full time job. Many of us have.

I love this game, no other game has ever captured my attention and imagination like EVE has. I think most of us here feel the same way or we wouldn't get as personally invested in these often bitter diatribes against the often less than popular powers that rule over our favorite past time.

I don't get as upset with the bugs as do some. Bugs I can deal with they do get fixed, usually, sooner that later. The bitter pill to swallow is watching "features" and "improvements" and "game balance" that nobody ever requested get forced down our throats seemingly with each successive release for the past ten years. In just Rubicon 1.1 we got to watch with delight as CCP force fed us ESS and the D-Scan deployables ignoring literally hundreds of pages of negative feedback on these forums.

Sure, there have been some awesome things along the way. But all the negatives force me to look back with nostalgia on the game I used to play. It just isn't the same.

Stupid work pc ate my reply... the long of the short of it, things change for various reasons, your input was taken into account and ess changed. Adapt or die blah blah blah... ya my other reply was better.. oh well

Well I'm just happy CCP actually provides more content every 6 months to this game..... You have to expect things will probably break when something new is released (IT ALWAYS IS WITH SOFTWARE MOST OF THE TIME WHEN A PATCH IS RELEASED TO FIX ONE THING, YOU JUST BROKE THE ANOTHER!!!)

The point is, CCP is quick to fix it... 24 hour turnover time is good in my books. Go to EA or Activision/Blizzard and expect such prompt response times! Guess what, you're going to be **** out of luck! You will be waiting much longer if not forever for anything to get done.

All I'd like to say is thanks CCP for providing more content day in, day out. Yeah, of course things will go wrong... but at least **** gets promptly fixed.

I think some people are too quick to forget what other developers are like........

Other than you know, the MASSIVE changes to ESS, the heavy work to smooth out the jump animation, the huge changes to proposed rebalances before release, all based on feedback.
Just because they don't change it to the way YOU want it doesn't mean they are ignoring the feedback. They have a vision for the game and will try and take it there. Players won't always like that vision and occasionally some might leave.

But trying to claim they aren't listening to feedback when your examples all had significant changes to them based entirely on player feedback and most of them directly used a player idea..... Yea. Epitome of dumb raging troll.

People should stop confusing balance with softeware quality. I coulnt care less if freighters would be able to alpha titans of the field, and noob ships get AOE Doomsday.

I do care about stuff, that breaks features. Right now we had the wormhole wabble, we had signature strenght without even scanning, and probably the AOE Nullsec doomsday aka standing error.

i don't know where you actually work or even if you work at all,but i'd like the name of your company so i never have to deal with it.

if this is the way you do updates / patch for your software....well might be time for a reconversion