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SOE Nestor Battleship discussion

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-27 23:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
The news of a new ship in Eve usually gathers excitement but no one seems to care about the Nestor coming out tomorrow. I found a few forum topics but none went far.



Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
Amarr Battleship Bonus: 4% Armor resistances per level

It sounds like they took the Rattlesnakes bonuses and transferred them to an armor tanked ship.



Role Bonuses

50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
100% bonus to remote armor repairer range
Maybe spider tanking?


50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
Okay a range bonus but no damage bonus... Okay it's a secondary weapon so that's fine

50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
Is it PVE ship for scanning sites or does this have a practical PVP use?


Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets
That doesn't get me excited at all but maybe I'm missing something

I'm just trying to get some thoughts on this ship as to why there's not much interest in the forums. Is it junk or has too limited of a role and if so what would this be?


http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/soe-reinforcements-and-ui-fine-tuning/
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#2 - 2014-01-28 00:00:51 UTC
umm.... There is a 100-page threadnaught in the Features & Ideas sub-forum. The ship was talked to death. General consensus seemed to be that it sucked ass and had no redeeming qualities to justify it's cost. Best use proposed seemed to be as a Flagship for Alliance Tourney. Pretty much the tl;dr for you.
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-28 07:19:44 UTC
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?
Bibosikus
Aliastra
#4 - 2014-01-28 11:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
Hiton Kado wrote:
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?


No. Just.. En-Oh.

It's true that, at base, they can spidertank about 60% more than Domis. And their mass is good for wh jumping. But that is all. Domi's damage projection is way, way better and literally a #fraction# of the cost. For half of what a Nestor hull will cost, you could bling a Domi into a far superior performer in every way.

The Nestor will be a collector's item in its current iteration.

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Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-28 11:05:09 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?


No. Just.. En-Oh.

Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless.
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
CODE.
#6 - 2014-01-28 12:47:30 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless.



Nestor is probably going to cost at least, by my PIOTA guess, at least 1.5 billion ISK on the market, once the market stabilizes.

AT. LEAST.

Now go figure out how many t2 sentry Domi's you can buy for that amount and you will see why.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#7 - 2014-01-28 13:02:36 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Bibosikus wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?


No. Just.. En-Oh.

Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless.


So you fly your scan boat through a system, you see (a) 2 domis running an L5, or (b) 2 nestors running an L5. Which thing causes you drop probes ?

So you are sitting in an L5 hub, and you want to undock to go blitz some missions despite there being neutrals you don't know, because otherwise in a lowsec mission hub, you couldn't get a lot done. What mission ships do you undock ?

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#8 - 2014-01-28 14:09:57 UTC
If used properly, Nestor will be a hell of a bait ship...C:
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#9 - 2014-01-28 17:02:40 UTC
its a very tanky very expensive sentry domi thats good at RR but is much worse offensively. Generally RR domis are used because they're cheap, extremely effective, and have high dps. The projection issue is even bigger given the omnidirectional nerf.

Not much of a niche for it, unless you already mission with RR domis and find they don't have enough tank and do too much damage.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2014-01-28 20:28:22 UTC
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#11 - 2014-01-28 20:39:26 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.


A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-01-28 21:20:58 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?


if you need spidertank and good resists then the nestor is indeed far better than the domi.
The domi applys dps much better (and for far less isk).
They might be used in WH's
They might be used in incursions.
They might be used as bait for pvp.
They might be used as a RR spidertank in PVP.

Due to their cost they won't be widely used but it is because of the cost rather than that they are useless.
If they cost the same as a domi then null fleets would be all over these ships.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-01-28 21:32:56 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.


A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.


and yet they are 1.67 bill already

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Marc Callan
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#14 - 2014-01-28 21:43:00 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.


A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.


In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-01-28 21:51:44 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.


A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.


In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors.
SOMEONE is doing it if EvE central is to be believed, and doing it for under the LP value of the Stratios already.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
#16 - 2014-01-28 22:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?


if you need spidertank and good resists then the nestor is indeed far better than the domi.
The domi applys dps much better (and for far less isk).
They might be used in WH's
They might be used in incursions.
They might be used as bait for pvp.
They might be used as a RR spidertank in PVP.

Due to their cost they won't be widely used but it is because of the cost rather than that they are useless.
If they cost the same as a domi then null fleets would be all over these ships.


No, it is not the cost, a domi is cheap and rather effective however a marauder will outdo it for pve RR stuff.

For WH, marauders are better by offering more cap, dps, better projection and tanking is not so much of a deal. Same goes for Incs, a marauder is the better RR BS since it also adds a lot of damage and got enough target slots to shoot and remote rep at the same time. As single logi replacement it would be sub par, since it doesn't got a tracking link bonus(what immensely helps) and is far harder to keep alive than a logi by a single dps hull. Also 90% of Inc pilots fly shield and since IIC went inactive by the lack of players, there is no bling armor channel active as far as I know. For PVP a logi is far cheaper and more survivable by the combination of range, speed and low sig, plus if you need something static for max rep a triage carrier does the same for less much better.

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Celia Therone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-28 23:26:34 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.

IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.


A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.


In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors.
SOMEONE is doing it if EvE central is to be believed, and doing it for under the LP value of the Stratios already.

I believe a lot of people expected Nestors to start selling for around $3 bill+, dropping to $2 bill after a few days. So they cashed out their LP and built them speculatively before the current price dynamic was known. Now they're stuck with Nestors that they either mothball or sell to whatever people will pay.

Currently there's only 11 Nestor buy orders in Jita between 1 and 1.5 bill, after that it drops to 600 mill. And there's 36 sell orders...

My guess is that the Nestor price will drop further as people unload what they have committed to building then slowly start to climb back again as 'smart' people stop buying it with their LP. On the other hand it's possible that idiots who don't do LP conversion math and get Nestorss anyway will outnumber idiots who don't run the numbers and realize how mediocre the Nestor is so the price might not recover...
Bane Nucleus
Assault and Battery
Transmission Lost
#18 - 2014-01-29 00:31:45 UTC
As a pure wormholer, I can speculate that not many wormholers will be using them. I do hope, however, that I am wrong and the killmails will start rolling in. bwahahahahaha Twisted

No trolling please

Jack Miton
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-29 01:03:04 UTC
Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-01-29 02:36:50 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on.


Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad"
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