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Good Idea / Bad Idea - Ore T1 boostingBC
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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#1 - 2014-01-28 19:54:08 UTC
Is the concept of making a T1 battle cruiser for ORE a good idea or bad idea if it took the exact bonuses from an orca and placed it on a "relatively" cheap battle cruiser hull.

It'd likely be similar to the prophecy and myrmidon though not as effective in combat, but capable of loading more links or have a reduction in fitting requirements for command processors.
Senarian Tyme
Serenity Rising LLC
Controlled Chaos
#2 - 2014-01-28 20:11:32 UTC
The idea of a poor man's orca or Porca is somewhat amusing.

I think that if you gave it the size/mass/handling of a BC, and the same booster bonuses of an orca, but strip away the tractor/survey along with the large orca hauling capacity, that it might have a niche use for high risker boosting areas like 0.0 (Esp in WHs.)

Of course at that point you are almost better off just using a prophecy with some T2 links and a mindlink implant.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-01-28 20:27:23 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
took the exact bonuses from an orca



no. If you want a poor-man's orca, then literally get one of those ships, load it with command processors, and run mining links.

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King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#4 - 2014-01-28 20:33:33 UTC
I'd support an ore CS. Bonus to mining and siege links, no hauling ability but respectable combat capability. Alternatively it could be made more into a scout type ship with a probing bonus and maybe a cov ops cloak.

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-01-28 21:53:46 UTC
Whats stopping you from putting mining links on a BC? Want all 3 at once? Fit 2 Command Processors.

Drake has 6 midslots. Use that. It can even sit in the belt and shoot rats with its remaining 4 launcher slots and drones. It will be gimped significantly on fitting. But it can be done.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6 - 2014-01-28 23:08:45 UTC
indeed, any BC can make a poor mans orca

[Drake, Poor Mans Orca]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
[empty low slot]
Damage Control II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#7 - 2014-01-29 15:40:34 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
indeed, any BC can make a poor mans orca

[Drake, Poor Mans Orca]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
[empty low slot]
Damage Control II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



You don't get the bonuses for the links off the hull and a mind-link isn't for a poor man... they cost over 800m a piece...
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-29 15:48:34 UTC
The Mining Foreman Mindlink is down to about 50 million, not that expensive.
That drake setup is decent for a poorman setup, but the capacitor link is largely unnecessary.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#9 - 2014-01-29 16:02:21 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The Mining Foreman Mindlink is down to about 50 million, not that expensive.
That drake setup is decent for a poorman setup, but the capacitor link is largely unnecessary.

Thank you sir! Last time I looked they were more than ten times that so I stopped thinking about them. At the current price I can once again fit one on my mining foreman since losing the last one by not realising it was in when entering pvp.

Also, Drakes make good cheap mining booster ships.
Beofryn Sedorak
#10 - 2014-01-29 19:51:45 UTC
EVE is a very complex beast with a solution for MOST situations, Some more practical and efficient than others.

With that being said, Here's some of my thoughts on this particular idea.

Is it "needed?" no.
Would it be fun/helpfu? YES!
Are there other ways to do what this ship would do? yes.
Could this ship be tailored to do it better? YES!

What I would envision is a T2 Noctis variant with an emphasis on high risk mining support.

Some boosting bonus (1.5~2% per level instead of on par with Orca to keep the Orca desirable?)
Fleet Ore Hold (Same functionality as a fleet hangar but can only hold ore/gas/ice)
Since mobile Depots are now something everyone has, adding fitting service to the ship may seem more reasonable?
Maybe a bonus to repair and mining drones?
Perhaps a new mining foreman link that boosts mining drone yield?

Just some thoughts, I'm by no means an expert on any of this stuff so take it for what you will :)
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2014-01-29 20:24:18 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:


You don't get the bonuses for the links off the hull and a mind-link isn't for a poor man... they cost over 800m a piece...


precisely, its a 'poor mans' set up, not a 'whats the point in an orca' set-up.

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Centurax
CSR Engineering Solutions
Citizen's Star Republic
#12 - 2014-01-29 20:31:36 UTC
ORE boosting ship

A ship that could just sit and boost a mining fleet that was smaller and cheaper to construct than an Orca would be useful in C1 wormholes where you cant bring in an Orca so you can ninja mine, or if you are just starting out it could be useful. So there are places where it can be used.

It could always have to be on grid to boost and maybe have the use of medium drones or something giving it a role as a defence ship too, I know that is a popular idea for ORE ships as well, so kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2014-01-29 20:33:42 UTC
There is only one mining link that you would want and that is the tech2 laser optimization link.

You and put it on any battlecruiser you like and get +18.75% mining yield without any implants. In return you can shoot the order guys that want to shoot your corpmates.

Some of the battlecruisers give 'hidden' additions to some links, so far I can confirm that a Ferox give you a little more % on some (as in 'not all') shield links and information warfare links.

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Beofryn Sedorak
#14 - 2014-01-29 20:35:06 UTC
Centurax wrote:
have the use of medium drones or something giving it a role as a defence ship too, I know that is a popular idea for ORE ships as well, so kill 2 birds with 1 stone.


I like the idea of giving it some oomph on the drone side. It would add a lot of versatility to it while leaving the high slots for boosts.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#15 - 2014-01-29 20:47:02 UTC
Centurax wrote:
ORE boosting ship

A ship that could just sit and boost a mining fleet that was smaller and cheaper to construct than an Orca would be useful in C1 wormholes where you cant bring in an Orca so you can ninja mine, or if you are just starting out it could be useful. So there are places where it can be used.

It could always have to be on grid to boost and maybe have the use of medium drones or something giving it a role as a defence ship too, I know that is a popular idea for ORE ships as well, so kill 2 birds with 1 stone.


T2 venture? exploration and boost

designed to locate areas for ninja mining and then provide boost. not sure i like the defence role, defeats the idea of ninja mining.

elitatwo wrote:
Some of the battlecruisers give 'hidden' additions to some links, so far I can confirm that a Ferox give you a little more % on some (as in 'not all') shield links and information warfare links.


what is this? final fantasy?

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