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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2181 - 2014-01-28 17:45:48 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
McBorsk wrote:
Calibration should be at 400. I'd like to put t2 rigs on my loot pinata.

Pirate ships all have 350.

Batelle wrote:
5/5 mid/low layout is **** on the stratios
6/6 is **** on the nestor.

These ships are armor tankers that have unimpressive top-end dps that is compounded by a lack of lowslots for damage mods and a lack of drone projection bonuses. Now that the relative utility of omnis is going down too, the overabundance of midslots is a hindreance.

Perhaps, but the mids are there to augment the exploration bonuses.


Whay they actually do is allow you to fit ECCM, cap booster and full tackle to augment the front-line brawler-pair role that this ship lends itself to. The only thing standing in the way of seeing this in practice is the silly price.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2182 - 2014-01-28 17:49:38 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
What they actually do is allow you to fit ECCM, cap booster and full tackle to augment the front-line brawler-pair role that this ship lends itself to. The only thing standing in the way of seeing this in practice is the silly price.

Oh probably... (and you would most likely know). "Officially" they're there for the mid-slot exploration modules. Can we include the starting offer of $6-billion ISK for the Nestor this morning? I think they're still hovering around the $3.5-billion ISK mark…

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Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
#2183 - 2014-01-28 18:49:01 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
What they actually do is allow you to fit ECCM, cap booster and full tackle to augment the front-line brawler-pair role that this ship lends itself to. The only thing standing in the way of seeing this in practice is the silly price.

Oh probably... (and you would most likely know). "Officially" they're there for the mid-slot exploration modules. Can we include the starting offer of $6-billion ISK for the Nestor this morning? I think they're still hovering around the $3.5-billion ISK mark…


They're starting to dip below 1.7b at the moment.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2184 - 2014-01-28 19:04:27 UTC
Divi Filus wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
What they actually do is allow you to fit ECCM, cap booster and full tackle to augment the front-line brawler-pair role that this ship lends itself to. The only thing standing in the way of seeing this in practice is the silly price.

Oh probably... (and you would most likely know). "Officially" they're there for the mid-slot exploration modules. Can we include the starting offer of $6-billion ISK for the Nestor this morning? I think they're still hovering around the $3.5-billion ISK mark…


They're starting to dip below 1.7b at the moment.


The penny's dropped...

Expect a short term bump in the supply of sisters frigates, cruisers, launchers, probes and virtue implants as the Osmon and Apanake crowd seek to offload LPs they had saved for Nestors.

Laugh at the broken market in Nestors because of the ridiculous fixed-price build cost.

Sigh and look pityingly at Mr Rise who refused to listen to reason...
Pirate

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#2185 - 2014-01-28 19:35:34 UTC
people expected some sick income from the nestor on day one but hehe after dt the first price i saw was 2.7 then 3 after that 6 and now were down to 1.7 and its still dropping - right now i feel sorry for all those guys that have farmed sister lp the whole time expecting a multi bilion income Twisted
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Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2186 - 2014-01-28 19:38:13 UTC
Finally looked at the model in game. Roflmao...
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2187 - 2014-01-28 19:38:25 UTC
Vinyl 41 wrote:
people expected some sick income from the nestor on day one but hehe after dt the first price i saw was 2.7 then 3 after that 6 and now were down to 1.7 and its still dropping - right now i feel sorry for all those guys that have farmed sister lp the whole time expecting a multi bilion income Twisted


They'll still get a multi-billion income, but they'll do it with virtue implants which are:
a) awesome
b) always in short supply

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2188 - 2014-01-28 22:35:45 UTC
Down to $1.624-billion and still falling… LMFAO at the fools who thought they'd make billions off this ship. I bet it's down to $1.1-billion by tomorrow.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2189 - 2014-01-28 22:40:52 UTC
You're forgetting the fallacy of "sunk cost" syndrome. At that price they will think they're taking a loss so will hang on to the ship and use it themselves or store it until the next patch. The Nestor market will be quieter than a dusty town in a Spaghetti Western before a gunfight.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2190 - 2014-01-28 22:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
You're forgetting the fallacy of "sunk cost" syndrome. At that price they will think they're taking a loss so will hang on to the ship and use it themselves or store it until the next patch. The Nestor market will be quieter than a dusty town in a Spaghetti Western before a gunfight.

Maybe for some… For those that sunk their LP into Nestor blueprints or ships and need the ISK, there isn't going to be a lot of recourse - and it's going to be a race to the bottom. So I think we could actually see prices dip below $1-billion ISK, but once that supply is exhausted it's probably going to recover somewhat. Only 50 Nestors have been sold to-date and the median price is nowhere near $2-billion ISK...

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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2191 - 2014-01-28 23:09:07 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
You're forgetting the fallacy of "sunk cost" syndrome. At that price they will think they're taking a loss so will hang on to the ship and use it themselves or store it until the next patch. The Nestor market will be quieter than a dusty town in a Spaghetti Western before a gunfight.

Maybe for some… For those that sunk their LP into Nestor blueprints or ships and need the ISK, there isn't going to be a lot of recourse - and it's going to be a race to the bottom. So I think we could actually see prices dip below $1-billion ISK, but once that supply is exhausted it's probably going to recover somewhat. Only 50 Nestors have been sold to-date and the median price is nowhere near $2-billion ISK...



I farmed the LP to make my own. I just do not see many of these ships selling.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2192 - 2014-01-28 23:28:45 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
I farmed the LP to make my own. I just do not see many of these ships selling.

Not until they either lower the LP cost or tweak the features.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2193 - 2014-01-28 23:34:26 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
You're forgetting the fallacy of "sunk cost" syndrome. At that price they will think they're taking a loss so will hang on to the ship and use it themselves or store it until the next patch. The Nestor market will be quieter than a dusty town in a Spaghetti Western before a gunfight.

Maybe for some… For those that sunk their LP into Nestor blueprints or ships and need the ISK, there isn't going to be a lot of recourse - and it's going to be a race to the bottom. So I think we could actually see prices dip below $1-billion ISK, but once that supply is exhausted it's probably going to recover somewhat. Only 50 Nestors have been sold to-date and the median price is nowhere near $2-billion ISK...



I farmed the LP to make my own. I just do not see many of these ships selling.


yah I made one as a ship spinner cos I could ... it was a good XMAS break goal "get yourself the LP for a Nestor by patch day".

its on the market on spec but do not really expect it to sell :D

if I actually needed the ISK I would have pumped the LP into more Stratios or just sold probes

Must say having flown the thing I am underwhelmed ... no way I would buy one
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2194 - 2014-01-28 23:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Wesley Otsdarva
It's ridiculously UP for a pirate faction Battleship. At least the others see some use wether mach or nightmare or even the vindi . Whether its weapon specializations (Nightmare = lasers) (Rattlesnake drones)

But I really want this to be the armor tankers rattler. Because I basically want a pirate faction domi.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2195 - 2014-01-29 00:16:22 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
It's ridiculously UP for a pirate faction Battleship. At least the others see some use. Whether its weapon specializations (Nightmare = lasers) (Rattlesnake drones)

But I really want this to be the armor tankers rattler. Because I basically want a pirate faction domi.


Dominix sentry bonuses, local repair bonus, 6 mid slots, 7 low slots plz... oh, that's what the kronos should have been...

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Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
#2196 - 2014-01-29 00:23:08 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
It's ridiculously UP for a pirate faction Battleship. At least the others see some use. Whether its weapon specializations (Nightmare = lasers) (Rattlesnake drones)

But I really want this to be the armor tankers rattler. Because I basically want a pirate faction domi.


Dominix sentry bonuses, local repair bonus, 6 mid slots, 7 low slots plz... oh, that's what the kronos should have been...



Ehh, do we really need a pirate Domi? I'm more disappointed because this thing had the potential to be something different, e.g. a cloaky gang support ship (to name one possibility).
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2197 - 2014-01-29 00:30:41 UTC
Yes, I wanted (personally) an armor tanked drone boat for Pirate faction class. I wouldn't mind if it ventured into some uncharted territory, For instance, keep the RR bonuses. But really, there isn't anything else to have a niche in for BS class. And lets be honest, who in the crap would use a pirate faction ship for PVP? Just too much isk for the damage increase. I can buy 5 megas for the price of 1 Vindi.
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
#2198 - 2014-01-29 00:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Divi Filus
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Yes, I wanted (personally) an armor tanked drone boat for Pirate faction class. I wouldn't mind if it ventured into some uncharted territory, For instance, keep the RR bonuses. But really, there isn't anything else to have a niche in for BS class. And lets be honest, who in the crap would use a pirate faction ship for PVP? Just too much isk for the damage increase. I can buy 5 megas for the price of 1 Vindi.


Not sure how you can say there are no more niches to be filled when there've been several mentioned in this thread (hell, I gave a free example above), but whatever. Like you said yourself, part of the appeal of the other pirate ships is unique bonus/weapon/tank combinations, e.g. shield drone boat, shield laser boat, ganky webber, etc; I really don't see why we'd need a pirate armor drone battleship when we already have a navy version and another pirate line specializing in drones.

And as long as we're being honest, pirate ships do get used in PvP. The Mach, for example, scored the 3rd most kills among the battleship class. Of course, this was nearly two years ago, but unfortunately Diagoras is no longer around to provide those stats.

EDIT: actually, if all you wanted was an armor tanked pirate droneboat, it would seem you got it, no?
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2199 - 2014-01-29 01:10:18 UTC
Well, my wanting a pirate faction domi, is simply because I love armor tanking drone boats. And basically all I want it a super domi. (better than navy).

But yes I do have my armor drone boat. The nestor could fill a niche in PVP, but for me the pricetag of pirate battleships makes their use a bit limited. in comparison to other options. In fact, I have never seen any Pirate ship used outside of PvE in person.
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
#2200 - 2014-01-29 11:49:25 UTC
And the market price for the nestor is already below the ISK/LP conversion for the Stratios and Astero.

Nice to see those "Rich wormholers" who "Don't care about cost" are pushing the demand up so much Roll

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