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Fleet-Up.com Keep It Simple Software Group 826
Wacktopia Fleet-Up.com Keep It Simple Software Group Likes received: 826	#21 - 2011-11-25 12:08:01 UTC The formula is a bit irrelevant tbh. Have you ever flown a Falcon? In the assumption you have not, here is how it kinda goes down.... Linky I drew pictures to make it fun and easy to understand :) Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - Fleet-Up.com

Deamos

Hideaway Hunters

The Hideaway.

Likes received: 213

#22 - 2011-11-25 12:49:28 UTC

DarkAegix wrote:

Fellow Important Internet Spaceship Commanders,
After countless trials and experimentation I have discovered the TRUE ECM formula in EVE. Everything else is incorrect! You may wonder why ECM is so damn effective, and yet misguided people attempt to defend it.
This post will shed light on the sensitive issue, through irrefutable mathematical evidence.

... Bunch of crying...

Have you ever flown a dedicated ECM boat? If you had, you would know how it feels to fly a ship that is paper thin and is not 100% effective. In addition, you must not remember back when ECM was a 100% guarantee.

Old ECM: IF ECM Type Points > Ship Points = 100% Perma Jam

New ECM: (IF ECM Type Points + Random Chance) >Ship Points = Jam for One Cycle; Else: Get Blown up because you are primary.

Try it out sometime. ECM ships have medium slots usually dedicated to trying to maintain some spectral spread, leaving very little room for shield mods to keep them alive.

If you are having problems killing ECM ships, Try out FoF missiles, or use drones on the ECM boat prior to him getting luckly and locking you down for a cycle.

DarkAegix

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,193

#23 - 2011-11-25 13:10:38 UTC

Wacktopia wrote:

The formula is a bit irrelevant tbh. Have you ever flown a Falcon? In the assumption you have not, here is how it kinda goes down....

[Link which makes the BBCode error]

I drew pictures to make it fun and easy to understand :)

No, no!
You got the story all wrong!
I fixed it for you: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6233/falconstory2.jpg

Deamos wrote:

Old ECM: IF ECM Type Points > Ship Points = 100% Perma Jam

New ECM: (IF ECM Type Points + Random Chance) >Ship Points = Jam for One Cycle; Else: Get Blown up because you are primary.

REAL ECM: If ECM module is run = 100% perma jam

You're missing the underlying truth of this thread, so I FYP for you.

Also, I infiltrated CCP HQ and managed to extract more evidence of their ECM bias! So, you think you know the face of Hilmar? THINK AGAIN.
HILMAR IS A FALCON.
I snapped a photo before my cover was blown. It's greyscale and everything, so you know it's a real surveillance photo!
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9563/hilcon.png

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Renan Ruivo Forcas armadas Brave Collective Likes received: 1,019	#24 - 2011-11-25 13:14:06 UTC So you're telling me that an analysis, something that is based completely on your observations, is proof of something? See the problem there?! The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Deamos

Hideaway Hunters

The Hideaway.

Likes received: 213

#25 - 2011-11-25 13:15:01 UTC

DarkAegix wrote:

...Bunch of stuff
You're missing the underlying truth of this thread, so I FYP for you.

Someone must have ganked you when you were flying, because this is still not true. I think the reason you are so bitter is because you are just playing Eve wrong.

I have flown against and in ECM boats including the Falcon. It is not an I-Win button. If you think it is, then you are obviously not experienced enough in Eve because you would know better.

Either try it out or quit complaining.

Deamos

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The Hideaway.

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#26 - 2011-11-25 13:20:16 UTC

I also want to add that I have no bloody idea where you got the * 0 + 100 bit.

Heres the ECM formula based on the Eve wiki.

Quote:

How it works:

ECM modules/drones, colloquially "jammers", disrupt the targeting abilities of the other ship for 20 seconds. This is chance based and influenced by the jamming strength of the module/drone and the sensor strength of the target ship.
Each races' ships have a particular sensor type. Each "racial" jammer module is strong against one of these types and weak against others. Multispectral jammers are of the same strength against all sensor types, weaker than racials against their best target but stronger than racials against the wrong races. Each ship also has sensor strength; typically the bigger the ship, the stronger the sensors.
The chance of one module to jam one ship on one cycle is p = ECM strength / ship sensor strength. (For the ECM module the strength against that ship's racial sensor type is used.) Hence, the probability that the jam fails is 1-p, the probability that at N jammers all fail is (1-p)^N, and so the the probability that at least one jammer succeeds is 1-(1-p)^N, assuming each jammer is of similar type. (The formula for different strengths of jammers is left as exercise.)

DarkAegix

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#27 - 2011-11-25 13:28:24 UTC

Deamos wrote:

I also want to add that I have no bloody idea where you got the * 0 + 100 bit.

Heres the ECM formula based on the Eve wiki.
[LIEEESSS]

I got my formula through ruthless, intense, exciting and highly complex mathematical analysis.
EVE Wiki is lying.
Hilmar is actually a Falcon.
The wool has been pulled over your eyes, and it's time for you to see the truth!

I am completely serious.
Not a single post I have made in this thread has been anything but the terrible, shocking truth.
Yep. Definitely.

Azn Empire 21,366
Mag's Azn Empire Likes received: 21,366	#28 - 2011-11-25 13:37:23 UTC 9 +over 9000 Great thread Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

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Ghoest Likes received: 345	#29 - 2011-11-25 13:40:52 UTC 1 I am about to go eat a piece of left over pumpkin pie. Wherever You Went - Here You Are

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#30 - 2011-11-25 13:49:24 UTC 1 Ghoest wrote: I am about to go eat a piece of left over pumpkin pie. You should stay here and eat popcorn instead. This is going to be great!

Sadayiel

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#31 - 2011-11-25 14:01:46 UTC | Edited by: Sadayiel

DarkAegix wrote:

Wacktopia wrote:

No, no!
You got the story all wrong!
I fixed it for you: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6233/falconstory2.jpg

Deamos wrote:

You are wrong sir if not a single target was locked that day then how did they even jam or destroy each other ..
Also i tought Ecm always had a 50% chance no matter what, either you are jammed or you are not Big smile

DarkAegix

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#32 - 2011-11-25 14:04:06 UTC | Edited by: DarkAegix

My sources indicate that Hilmar has jammed all of CCP's employees, and has initiated Operation: BECAUSE OF FALCON.
On Sisi, the Falcon has received an....update.

This fit is now possible:
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Also i tought Ecm always had a 50% chance no matter what, either you are jammed or you are not Big smile

That is easily the most incorrect maths I have ever seen.
And I've seen some pretty terrible maths.
Thankfully this thread contains no other mathematical errors of any description.

Stonecold Steve

I N E X T R E M I S

Tactical Narcotics Team

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#33 - 2011-11-25 14:14:25 UTC | Edited by: Stonecold Steve

You jammed my friday afternoon! You scoundrel! Evil

No seriously, i mean who would fly a freakin falcon anyway? Falcon pilots are wager pilots. You have more luck hitting fish in a barrel then being an awesome falcon pilot.. i know cause this one time at music camp we had a classmate of ours sitting on the toilet when she had a triangle and a cup and she could not get it out by some reason, but after that they went into class and had some pie and it came all out then but on the topside, not the downside. So, by any chance you also put in that cup up there so she could not go poop.
Uh well what i wanted to say is you messed my friday up with your falcon talk, if your gonna cry atleast catch the tears in a bucket and make tea of it dammit.

“Hasta la muerte, todo es vida.”

Deamos

Hideaway Hunters

The Hideaway.

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#34 - 2011-11-25 14:31:51 UTC

DarkAegix wrote:

Deamos wrote:

I also want to add that I have no bloody idea where you got the * 0 + 100 bit.

Heres the ECM formula based on the Eve wiki.
[LIEEESSS]

Your truth != reality. Your formula is incorrect and I would believe the wiki over a Two month old player. Begone, newbie troll!

Alpheias

Tactical Farmers.

Pandemic Horde

Likes received: 9,004

#35 - 2011-11-25 14:35:48 UTC

Stonecold Steve wrote:

if your gonna cry atleast catch the tears in a bucket and make tea of it dammit.

Hmm.. I have to try that!

Sounds though like you need a ample amount of tears which should be readily available from carebears, and most definitely the OP.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

DarkAegix

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#36 - 2011-11-25 14:46:57 UTC | Edited by: DarkAegix

Deamos wrote:

DarkAegix wrote:

Deamos wrote:

I also want to add that I have no bloody idea where you got the * 0 + 100 bit.

Heres the ECM formula based on the Eve wiki.
[LIEEESSS]

Your truth != reality. Your formula is incorrect and I would believe the wiki over a Two month old player. Begone, newbie troll!

Truth = Reality
Formula = Correct
Wiki = Lies
Two months is approximately my time in corp, not time overall
I am a master troll, not a newbie troll

I have finally deduced who you really are, Hilmar. Yes, that's right. I know who you really are. You think that you can jam this conspiracy like you did to your employees, but it's too late!
The true formula has been revealed.
There's no use hiding any longer. Revise the formula to

Quote:

P = ( J + S ) ^ ( ( N + 4 ) ^ 1024 )
J = Jamming strength of ECM modules (Previously modified with falloff/skills/etc)
S = Sensor strength of ship
n = Number of jammers
P = Points of damage the ship which uses the ECM modules receives

and unjam your employees or I'm afraid drastic action will be necessary.

Doomheim 32
StillBorn CrackBaby Doomheim Likes received: 32	#37 - 2011-11-25 14:47:19 UTC Translation of OP's formula = I hate getting jammed therefore it is clearly broken...

DarkAegix

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,193

#38 - 2011-11-25 14:51:39 UTC

StillBorn CrackBaby wrote:

If I speak in bold text my opinion is more valid, especially because I haven't read more than the first 4 sentences of the original post. It seems as if a Falcon has jammed my posting ability.

Sad

Don't fear, I've decrypted the hidden message you were directing at me.
You may be beyond help.
I'm sorry that I can't do anything to rescue you.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#39 - 2011-11-25 14:55:33 UTC 1 DarkAegix wrote: I'm sorry that I can't do anything to rescue you. A whole fleet of remote ECCM?

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Thomas Orca Broski is ded Likes received: 159	#40 - 2011-11-25 15:51:43 UTC Tippia wrote: DarkAegix wrote: I'm sorry that I can't do anything to rescue you. A whole fleet of remote ECCM? You have seen the *0 part, right?

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