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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#1 - 2014-01-28 05:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Masseri
Namas tayam,
Greetings to you all

I have recently been studying the Clone Soldier Vessels in my local area of space, having published my research paper's in my alliance's library a college came upon me with another question.

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Why are they hear, what is there purpose?


At first I thought this an odd question however I quickly realised that my knowledge of the mercenaries is somewhat limited but I now know that they are not transported and merely jump from clone to clone. As this makes transport unnecessary I brings at least one vessel, the Clone Soldier Transporter into question, what does this vessel transport if not the clone soldiers.

So far I have some very loose theories but I thought I would open this up for contribution.


  • Clone Soldier Trainer - Possibly a ship where people aspiring to become clone mercenaries are taken to train.

  • Clone Soldier Recruiter-As the name suggest's a vessel that carries a crew who try to recruit people into becoming clone mercenaries.

  • Clone Soldier Transporter-Maybe a ship that carries new recruits.

  • Clone Soldier Negotiator-These I believe are the one's who negotiate the contracts made available to the clone mercenaries at large.


These are guesses and theories, they have no grounding please feel free to critique.

Just Another Capsuleer 
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#2 - 2014-01-28 05:53:27 UTC
As I understand it, the War Barge is the primary mode of transport and mobile base of operations for the DUSter soldiers, the MCC ships doing the tactical support work closer to the planet surface.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-01-28 05:59:21 UTC
Not all clone soldiers, especially the 'pirate' factions, necessarily use the same methods as the mercenaries you are familiar with.

Not all combat involving cloned soldiers takes place in easily trackable and observable planetside locations within the spotlight of the cluster's attention.


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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#4 - 2014-01-28 07:32:00 UTC
These are merely ships provided to the agents in charge of certain aspects of Clone Soldier training.
The extra offensive and defensive capabilities of the ship provide the agent with a certain level of protection, since as expected, DED seems keen to wipe them out with no remorse.

Whilst this provides the agent with enough assets to take care of his/her tasks, some of the services and actions you described take place in other, remote locations, or by use of other dedicated vessels.
You don't actually expect Clone Soldier training facilities to be aboard a Cruiser sized ship?
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Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#5 - 2014-01-28 10:19:57 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
As I understand it, the War Barge is the primary mode of transport and mobile base of operations for the DUSter soldiers, the MCC ships doing the tactical support work closer to the planet surface.

You are somewhat correct on that, personally I've always thought of Warbarges as carriers. They transport all the clones, installations, MCCs and whatnot needed for the battlefield. The MCC is deployed down on the battlefield, which acts as the mobile base down on the ground, which is where the clones and other equipment are deployed from, while the Warbarge stays orbiting above the planet providing any additional resources needed.

I don't remember ever actually boarding a Warbarge, as I have always been transported into it via jumpcloning and it has already been deployed above the planet.

But on the topic jumpcloning isn't the only method of travel clone soldiers use, and what Silas and Leopold suggested are sound ideas.
Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#6 - 2014-01-28 13:06:25 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Not all clone soldiers, especially the 'pirate' factions, necessarily use the same methods as the mercenaries you are familiar with.

Not all combat involving cloned soldiers takes place in easily trackable and observable planetside locations within the spotlight of the cluster's attention.




I have to admit I had not considered this possibility now you have brought it up it seems like a very plausible point especially as my area of operations does not currently seem to have any of the mercenaries I'm familiar in plain site. Out of interest would you be of the opinion that at least some of these vessels may contain agents connected, make contracts with the DUster's.

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You don't actually expect Clone Soldier training facilities to be aboard a Cruiser sized ship?


For the majority of there training, no, however as a cruisers non casuleer crew can range between 20-75 and 200-700 at maximum capacity I would think it plausible that a cruiser could at least contain a small number of virtual reality training simulators. But yes I would be surprised if this was much higher then 5% of there training. In fact I would hazard a guess that much of there training is done on field.

This is my first ever topic so thank you to everyone who has contributed so far I now have a lot more to think about.

Just Another Capsuleer 
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-01-28 22:18:01 UTC
The soldiers may be able to clone jump from warzone to warzone, but not without whatever sort of arrangements they need when they get there. I imagine the transporter handles the necessary logistics of moving their equipment, and medical necessities into position.
Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#8 - 2014-01-29 01:59:12 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
The soldiers may be able to clone jump from warzone to warzone, but not without whatever sort of arrangements they need when they get there. I imagine the transporter handles the necessary logistics of moving their equipment, and medical necessities into position.

There are other methods of hitting the dirt with all your facilities. Apparently the Amarr have found a way of sustaining a miniature wormhole in a deployable uplink that allows soldiers to teleport to locations in an instant. Trick is... Sometimes not all the mercenary comes out the other end. Apparently the process hurts a lot too.

You couldn't pay me enough to go through one, but amazingly it's pretty common if you need to warp to a planetary surface quick or if you need your gear sent to an MCC instantly.

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Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2014-01-29 03:54:40 UTC
Now that is interesting. I suppose I've fallen into the same trap as many others when considering these clone troopers when I have assumed that even they require the traditional support assets that every army before has needed.

How "miniature" are these wormholes? What is the range?
Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#10 - 2014-01-29 04:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Wulver
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Now that is interesting. I suppose I've fallen into the same trap as many others when considering these clone troopers when I have assumed that even they require the traditional support assets that every army before has needed.

How "miniature" are these wormholes? What is the range?

Oh, they are still subjected to logistical support. The range on them is extremely limited, so they'd still need support from MCC and war barge routers. Here, I think I have a segment from an article I was reading on them...

"The drop uplink is a slave transponder, a short-range tether that produces the precise spatial coordinates necessary to generate a localized wormhole, traversal of which allows the user to travel short distances instantly. Highly experimental, the process is excruciatingly painful and exposes organic tissue to excessive radiation, resulting in accelerated cellular decay and, ultimately, death."

The uplink itself is small enough to fit inside a backpack and can be carried by a single soldier. Reading through this it seems that you were right in the sense that they still need shipping convoys and logistical support to move gear. Uplinks like these however make a world of difference though when moving these materials planetside as long as the objects in question aren't much larger than your typical soldier.

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