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CFC/N3/PL Cap brawl

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#301 - 2014-01-28 01:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I hope the $100K plus was destroyed thing (converting ISK loss to $$ through PLEX costs) does not become the foremost headline.

If it does we're gonna hear about this "gamers destroying expensive stuff while people starve" thing. Sure, it's not actual money and we all know that but we are dealing with a population that sees a pocket pistol knock someone 10' in the air or buy a machine gun over the counter (not possible since 1934) and end up thinking that's for real. So let's not all go "oooh" and "aaaahh" over the ISK destroyed in this battle lest we get the "populist whip" across our backs.


Sadly, this is inevitable. What?

Almost 5T ISK gone, according to Z-Killboard.

Edit:
And I'll note that Z-Kill is a couple hours behind the fight. So probably well OVER 5T ISK, actually.
Mario Putzo
#302 - 2014-01-28 01:37:50 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I hope the $100K plus was destroyed thing (converting ISK loss to $$ through PLEX costs) does not become the foremost headline.

If it does we're gonna hear about this "gamers destroying expensive stuff while people starve" thing. Sure, it's not actual money and we all know that but we are dealing with a population that sees a pocket pistol knock someone 10' in the air or buy a machine gun over the counter (not possible since 1934) and end up thinking that's for real. So let's not all go "oooh" and "aaaahh" over the ISK destroyed in this battle lest we get the "populist whip" across our backs.



This community has given out hundreds of thousands to various drive through the Plex for "Cause" Thats significant in and of itself.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#303 - 2014-01-28 01:41:34 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
31:19 0r 32:18 couldn't tell who the last one was.

Is the kill trend tipping one direction or the other, or is it holding steady?

IOW: Who has the momentum, and is it shifting?
Jill Chastot
Black Water Oasis
#304 - 2014-01-28 01:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Chastot
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
31:19 0r 32:18 couldn't tell who the last one was.

Is the kill trend tipping one direction or the other, or is it holding steady?

IOW: Who has the momentum, and is it shifting?



it seems to be holding at about 2:1 ->3:2 in favour of CFC

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#305 - 2014-01-28 01:47:57 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
31:19 0r 32:18 couldn't tell who the last one was.

Is the kill trend tipping one direction or the other, or is it holding steady?

IOW: Who has the momentum, and is it shifting?



it seems to be holding at about 2:1 ->3:2 in favour of CFC

Cool; thanks.

Next: Can CFC sustain the attrition rate long enough to break N3PL's will? And not un-relatedly, how is morale holding in teh respective fleets?

It's rare that a faceoff of this magnitude leads to an utter defeat of one side or the other; usually it's willpower that breaks first.
the slaughter usualy doesn't happen until one side tries to retreat...
Jill Chastot
Black Water Oasis
#306 - 2014-01-28 01:53:20 UTC
TwistedI hope eveyone is so bloodythristy they will all go down swinging...

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Seven Koskanaiken
Guerillas in the Mist
Outlanders United
#307 - 2014-01-28 01:54:19 UTC
PL are disbanding. Is it true?
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
#308 - 2014-01-28 01:56:59 UTC
SpaceJam \:D/

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Calypso Warsmith
Strata Dynamics
Power Absolute Inc.
#309 - 2014-01-28 01:59:26 UTC
The Rage in the PL Com's is truly epic, there will be many months of new EvE memes born from this.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#310 - 2014-01-28 02:01:13 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
PL are disbanding. Is it true?

That would utterly shock me.

At least, at this moment.
Later, depending on what was the cause of the unpaid bill, and how it's handled, well... Who knows?
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#311 - 2014-01-28 02:01:53 UTC
LANA
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#312 - 2014-01-28 02:03:14 UTC
Calypso Warsmith wrote:
The Rage in the PL Com's is truly epic, there will be many months of new EvE memes born from this.


especially if they insist that SOV dropped due to a bug
even if not the gnashing of teeth will be epic and the CS guys will be swamped in petitions for the next few months
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
#313 - 2014-01-28 02:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
PL are disbanding. Is it true?

That would utterly shock me.

At least, at this moment.
Later, depending on what was the cause of the unpaid bill, and how it's handled, well... Who knows?
There's some detail I am missing here. What bill?

Tbh I have no idea how this started. ^^


And why is local decreasing? :/

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#314 - 2014-01-28 02:05:08 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
PL are disbanding. Is it true?

That would utterly shock me.

At least, at this moment.
Later, depending on what was the cause of the unpaid bill, and how it's handled, well... Who knows?
There's some detail I am missing here. What bill?

Tbh I have no idea how this started. ^^


Holding sovereignty over a system cost ISK. If you don't pay the bill, it drop.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#315 - 2014-01-28 02:05:17 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Calypso Warsmith wrote:
The Rage in the PL Com's is truly epic, there will be many months of new EvE memes born from this.


especially if they insist that SOV dropped due to a bug
even if not the gnashing of teeth will be epic and the CS guys will be swamped in petitions for the next few months

If it WAS a bug, expect riots. If it wasn't a bug, but was a screw-up, expect metaphorical lynchings.
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#316 - 2014-01-28 02:09:13 UTC
Whoever forgot to pay the bil is literally the aids that is rotting the alliance from the inside out.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#317 - 2014-01-28 02:09:44 UTC
So many failed stagingsystem headshots attempted from pl/n3, the irony that pl looses it's on first is worth gold..
Jill Chastot
Black Water Oasis
#318 - 2014-01-28 02:12:03 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Calypso Warsmith wrote:
The Rage in the PL Com's is truly epic, there will be many months of new EvE memes born from this.


especially if they insist that SOV dropped due to a bug
even if not the gnashing of teeth will be epic and the CS guys will be swamped in petitions for the next few months

If it WAS a bug, expect riots. If it wasn't a bug, but was a screw-up, expect metaphorical lynchings.



So we either get tears... or more tears?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
#319 - 2014-01-28 02:13:49 UTC
GHOOOSTBUSTERS !!! \:D/

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#320 - 2014-01-28 02:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
PL are disbanding. Is it true?

That would utterly shock me.

At least, at this moment.
Later, depending on what was the cause of the unpaid bill, and how it's handled, well... Who knows?
There's some detail I am missing here. What bill?

Tbh I have no idea how this started. ^^

Once you hold a system, you have to pay a recurring fee to keep things all up and running. Call it a maintenacne fee, or a power bill, or whatever.

Miss a payment, and ther's no grace: The lights go out. *IF* you can get a new Territorial Claim Unit (TCU) in place before anyone else does, AND defend it until it comes on-line, no harm, no foul.

But - until the new TCU comes online, your stations are vulnerable to capture.


N3PL failed on a Sov bill. "Why" is unknown at his time - Various claims are being made. But they ran new TCUs in - Unfortunately for them, CFC noticed this, and blapped the TCUs before they came on-line. Then they blapped a station until it surrendered to them - the station that contained great masses of PL gear. Then CFC stood up their own TCUs, and have managed to successfully defend them. The CFC/RUS TCUs are up and running, and now to regain the system (and access to their treasure) N3PL will need to do the whole Sov-Grind thing. Which is tedious and expensive.

The fight has turned into a "meeting engagement" where two advancing forces slam into each other, each pouring more and more resources into the fight. Think "Gettysburg" for the US, or "Waterloo" for Europe. Meeting engagements can wreck armies, wreck nations, and turn the tides of wars if allowed to get out of hand.

This one looks well and truly out of hand - Probably north of 6tn ISK lost by now.