Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Interesting idea but then with heavy ham and light use ccp would jsut nerf them too. Its why rapids and hml got their castration. Tengu/drake spam for hml (odd ccp did not hit medium ac for cane spam....they actually went for what was broken to not have dual neut o cane but anyway) and well for once crapacal (variants) did not suck as bad in general so ofc they couldn't have that.

I really don't see any other way of getting the point across, because they're turned a blind eye...


In PvP, perhaps. Still fairly sure they're in wide use for PvE - particularly missioning.

HML are still used in missions, because HAMS ******* suck and RLML ******* suck (the only use in lvl 2 now gone) but it's okay! I just LOVE doing lvl 2 with hml caracal, 250 volley dmg is just amazing.

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no seriously go try RLML in missions.. I know you're talking about pvp but they effectively ruined for newbie missiles a way to do missions (progress through lvl 2) because there's no effective missile system for a cruiser except RLML for lvl 2, I am hoping they revert this awful change.

indeed, you should adapt to changes in the game.



i can sympathize. even before the hml nerf my low skilled alt swapped from hmls to rapid lights to do level 2's. it must now be a nightmare to take a new char into a level 2 with a caracal.

HML's struggle to hurt the majority of targets in level 2's (especially with lower skills)
HAM's dnt have the range often required for running missions (especially with lower skills)
RLML's dnt have the longevity often required for running missions

light missile launchers?

might do. i often find trying to fit light missile launchers on a Corax without high fitting skills to be a nightmare in itself however.

Hubris.

"M-m-muh balance, draek gangs, missiles never miss! DRAWBACKS WE NEED MORE DRAWBACKS BECAUSE MOISSILSE NEVER MISS"

-Weaker support module (Target Painters)
-Arguably hit harder by damage calculation math, because if you line things up right, LR guns can lay the fcuksmack down on much smaller ships for IIRC more or less full damage- a torpedo hasn't a hope in hell at being effective against anything less than a structure, period.
-Caldari ships often only have bonuses to kinetic missile damage. The only case where this is immediately advantageous is against Minmatar T2 ships.
-Flight time? This is a big one.
-The setup of launchers is completely different from turrets. You have your tracking turrets with lower damage, you have your middle of the road balanced turrets, and you have your higher optimal with largest damage guns. You have Heavy Assault Missiles (longer range, awful damage application, less damage potential than close range guns due to their medium-short range nature preferring medium). You have heavy missiles (I don't know what their role is. They do exactly no damage at irrelevant ranges, just get a Cruise Raven, seriously.) You have Rapid Lights. Oh boy, "front loaded" damage! Just you WAIT mister, once my launchers are done reloading from that LAST fight I just barely limped away fro-(exploding)

Sure seems like we have a usable weapon system, right?

Please do one of the following:

a) Explain the nerfs to HAMs, with particular reference to Guided Missile Precision, or
b) Stop making stupid whiny posts and pay attention to detail.

HAM and cruise only or some heavy still but thats it, cause torps are broken and no one will use a rapid launcher for pve.. or pvp for that matter

not really.
Ibis, Drake, condor, leviathan, crow, manticore (doesnt really count), corax, flycatcher, onyx

more often caldari ships have RoF bonuses or bonuses to other damage types as well.



this happens in missions because the AI is only capable of orbiting at a predetermined range, so when they are at a distance they fly straight towards u. this tactic has some glaringly obvious flaws if attempted in a PvP environment.