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Good, cheap, sniping battleship for L4's
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Kat's Harbinger
Winning is Relevant
#1 - 2014-01-24 21:09:02 UTC
Currently, I've been running missions in a mael with an autocannon setup on it, but with a few missions like Blockade, or Recon, it's having a few issues because of the incoming dps. I've run the fit by a friend of mine that's been playing since '04, so that's not really an issue, although somebody told me that I should throw some arty and an mjd on it for the bigger missions that are a pain in the butt. I was wondering if there was a better bs for arty than the mael to use, however. I've got the ability to use all the races' bs's, and all sized weapons, but I'm primarily spec'd for Minmy ships. Thanks for any and all input. Big smile
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#2 - 2014-01-24 21:19:18 UTC
I have had very good luck with a Arty Machariel, but against Serpentis your still going to have the damps that make that mission annoying. but remember the Machariel is not bonused to tank so you will need to pay more attention to the setup and remember the Gank is a bigger portion of your tank than you had with the maelstrom.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-01-24 21:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Mael is probably the best "cheap" arty platform for missions.

mach has the fittings for the most part. 7 guns with a RoF bonus and a damage bonus. So that's nice. The tanking bonus is offset by being fast, and by being far away (arty) and by the massive raw HP that pirate BS have on all 3 layers.

Vargur costs a bit more but you can fit it cheaper, plus the whole MJD plus ewar immunity thing makes it rather effective.

I'm not too familiar with the fleet tempest.

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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-01-24 21:34:57 UTC
Blockade is a pain, bring a friend or second account rats will only damp one at a time.

Recon 1 and 2 you really don't have to shoot anything but the rats have nice bountys in 1.

Mach is pretty much the king arty boat.
Kat's Harbinger
Winning is Relevant
#5 - 2014-01-25 00:14:10 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I have had very good luck with a Arty Machariel, but against Serpentis your still going to have the damps that make that mission annoying. but remember the Machariel is not bonused to tank so you will need to pay more attention to the setup and remember the Gank is a bigger portion of your tank than you had with the maelstrom.


I've seen arty machs do pretty well in the past, but they're not really cheap. Granted, the price has gone down recently, but that's still not quite what I'm willing to pay for a ship that's just screaming "I would like 30 catty's to come and get me!" Smile
stoicfaux
#6 - 2014-01-25 03:51:54 UTC
Arty Maelstrom with 2x5% dmg implants: 710 DPS, range: 42+84km.

Dominix with Bouncers: 700 DPS, range: 143+42km. (With rubicon 1.1 that drops to 98.5+59.3km.)

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-25 04:56:50 UTC
Wait you're flying a Maelstrom and having problems with tanking missions? Please post your current fit.
Ace Echo
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#8 - 2014-01-25 06:04:09 UTC
Sniper domi. I've found, is also pretty cheap. The key to fighting through damps is to fight beyond damp range. Get your sentry's optimal at >130km and the serps won't even have a chance to damp you. Just pop the damp ships first and you're golden. Not to mention the EWAR immunity of drones in the first place.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-25 07:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Ace Echo wrote:
Sniper domi. I've found, is also pretty cheap. The key to fighting through damps is to fight beyond damp range. Get your sentry's optimal at >130km and the serps won't even have a chance to damp you. Just pop the damp ships first and you're golden. Not to mention the EWAR immunity of drones in the first place.



A MJD Domi is a good choice. Drones may be immune to EWAR but they're not immune to the missiles that come with it. At some point you have to make the choice to either pull them in or lose them. I miss the days where you could just ignore Guristas jamming with a Dominix and let your drones kill stuff.

I have a feeling something is wrong with his fit because with the Maelstrom's shield boost bonus it's pretty hard to crack.
Carek Talen
Another Corp.
#10 - 2014-01-25 10:59:53 UTC
To set the record straight, drones are NOT immune to ewar. Against most rats is difficult to see the effects, the most noticeable is jammers, if set to aggresive the jammed sentry tries to lock on any target, fails and tries again and you see the drone icon blinking under the target.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-01-25 18:02:02 UTC
I have fleet tempest that I use sometimes to do l4 missions. Most missions I use ac, but some missions I use arti.

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Kat's Harbinger
Winning is Relevant
#12 - 2014-01-26 03:52:08 UTC
Alright. So, as far as I see, the top two choices for cheapness and effectiveness both are either the Domi, or the Mael for sniping. The Navy Tempest is a sexy beast, however I'm not looking for anything faction, whether navy or pirate. I'll probably just try out my mael fit with 1400's and an mjd instead of 800's and an ab, and I'll also try out the domi to see which I prefer. Smile
stoicfaux
#13 - 2014-01-26 05:55:28 UTC
Kat's Harbinger wrote:
Alright. So, as far as I see, the top two choices for cheapness and effectiveness both are either the Domi, or the Mael for sniping. The Navy Tempest is a sexy beast, however I'm not looking for anything faction, whether navy or pirate. I'll probably just try out my mael fit with 1400's and an mjd instead of 800's and an ab, and I'll also try out the domi to see which I prefer. Smile

Drones fire every 4 seconds. 1400's every ~16 seconds.

Just sayin'.

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Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#14 - 2014-01-29 03:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
Ace Echo wrote:
Sniper domi. I've found, is also pretty cheap. The key to fighting through damps is to fight beyond damp range. Get your sentry's optimal at >130km and the serps won't even have a chance to damp you. Just pop the damp ships first and you're golden. Not to mention the EWAR immunity of drones in the first place.




Domi with sentries and a micro jump drive is cheap and reliable. Warp in, micro jump out to 100km or more and launch sentries.

I have a domi fit that gets over 125 km range to target and sentries can shoot.

Contact me if you need the fit.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-01-29 03:06:30 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Ace Echo wrote:
Sniper domi. I've found, is also pretty cheap. The key to fighting through damps is to fight beyond damp range. Get your sentry's optimal at >130km and the serps won't even have a chance to damp you. Just pop the damp ships first and you're golden. Not to mention the EWAR immunity of drones in the first place.




Domi with sentriesand a micro jump drive is cheap and reliable. Warp in, microo jump out to 100km or more and launch sentries.

I have a domi fit that gets over 125 km range to target and sentries can shoot.

Contact me if you need the fit.


I used to have one that got 100km with Gardes... at least before the 1.1 patch
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#16 - 2014-01-29 06:16:51 UTC
IIshira wrote:


I used to have one that got 100km with Gardes... at least before the 1.1 patch



I have found that Warden IIs work best for me. Garde IIs seem to get targeted too frequently compared to the Wardens.

But, I carry a variety to use in different situations.

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Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#17 - 2014-01-29 09:28:55 UTC
mjd cruise phoon is all you will ever need for l4 sniping
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-01-29 09:52:11 UTC
depends on what u want to spent and how u run.

normal mjd typhoon cruise fitted, raven navy mjd cruise, mael 1400 mjd (painful cycletime). If u go against serpentis or gurista in blockade u r screwed either way ^^
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-29 09:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Vinyl 41 wrote:
mjd cruise phoon is all you will ever need for l4 sniping


The navy phoon with BCS and DDA in all the lows, drone/missile rigs plus 5% implants, are doing some 1400-1500 dps with cruise missiles and sentry drones at 100 km.

It's one of the hardest hitting ranged T1 battleships, on paper at least, but it's also very skill intensive because of the 400-500 dps you get with good drone skills.

Still even without drones it's still close to 1000 dps, which is really good for a T1 battleship, and pretty much the same you get in a raven.

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Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#20 - 2014-01-29 10:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
The new SoE BS may take center stage with lasers and sentries combo.

Who wants to waste their ISK on ammo anyway.....

But not cheap*

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