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Intel or AMD....

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#1 - 2014-01-23 11:31:08 UTC
In the upcoming months I'm building a new rig.

I'm undecided about the CPU though.

I can't decide between Intel or AMD, I'm looking at either an i5 or A8/FX chip.

Suggestions?

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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#2 - 2014-01-23 12:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Long time AMD fan. If you are after a cutting edge high performance computer, go Intel. Save a few bucks? AMD. The debate ended years ago, AMD and Intel haven't been in serious competition over cutting edge/bleeding edge performance chips for some time. It's all overkill anyway, in most cases. Look forward to integrated solid stated drives (iSSD) on the main boards, I hear PC's will start going that way soon providing increased performance.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#3 - 2014-01-23 14:09:46 UTC
Intel if you find the price acceptable.

My main problem with AMD right now is the silly amounts of heat they pump out and their power usage. Their performance is good but Intel is still better.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#4 - 2014-01-23 14:47:29 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Intel if you find the price acceptable.

My main problem with AMD right now is the silly amounts of heat they pump out and their power usage. Their performance is good but Intel is still better.

Heat really isn't an issue if you have proper airflow...

I currently have 2 computers. One is running a i3-2130 and the other A6-3650. Their temps are about the same....30c - 35c under load. The only difference is the i3 uses 35w less then the A6. I'm not a power user, so they both run fairly well when multitasking. (1 EVE client, movie/TV, web browser, and misc ****.)

I'm just curious on other people opinions...

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#5 - 2014-01-23 14:58:21 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Intel if you find the price acceptable.

My main problem with AMD right now is the silly amounts of heat they pump out and their power usage. Their performance is good but Intel is still better.

Heat really isn't an issue if you have proper airflow...

I currently have 2 computers. One is running a i3-2130 and the other A6-3650. Their temps are about the same....30c - 35c under load. The only difference is the i3 uses 35w less then the A6. I'm not a power user, so they both run fairly well when multitasking. (1 EVE client, movie/TV, web browser, and misc ****.)

I'm just curious on other people opinions...


Try AMDs top end products and you might change your mind. Also AMD is know bad/inaccurate temp sensors.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-01-23 16:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Some years ago i was a big AMD fan, because they had good processors and was relatively cheap.

However, one day (around 2 years ago) when i had to update my computer, i decided to go for an Intel CPU on an Intel motherboard and so on to try that out. And after i have been using an Intel Core i5-2500k CPU clocked @ 4.8 GHz with a Corsair H60 Liquid Cooler for those ~2 years now, i doubt i will be looking back at AMD CPU's in the near future.

AMD makes good CPU's, that's for sure, but if you can spend a little more money on an Intel CPU, you get much more bang for your buck when it comes to the overall performance.

So, you will be happy with an AMD CPU, but.........., you will be even more happier with an Intel CPU Blink.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2014-01-23 17:27:42 UTC
I picked up an AMD processor and a Radeon Card on black Friday. My old rig was an intel i5 1st gen I got for free, but I won't go into that. I am able to run 5 accounts, with max graphics with zero issues.

I also have an i7 laptop with a nvida 725m chip with 2gb of dedicated memory. it can run 1 account full grpahics stable, I have not stress tested it yet, but need to. Long time AMD and ATI fan, I recommend AMD, the price is less and honestly the performance is not a huge difference if your not doing things like rendering big projects. Plus AMD is WAY cheaper.

I like my new desktop.. i'll post specs when I get home

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Dak Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-23 22:22:18 UTC
If you're on a budget, the FX-6300 and an AMD 970 motherboard is a really good value at ~$200. Intel i5's are more power efficient, run cooler, and perform better, but expect to pay at least $180 for the chip alone. The money saved by getting AMD can be put towards a better GPU, which is more important in terms of gaming performance.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#9 - 2014-01-23 22:37:57 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
I picked up an AMD processor and a Radeon Card on black Friday. My old rig was an intel i5 1st gen I got for free, but I won't go into that. I am able to run 5 accounts, with max graphics with zero issues.

Yeah, it just doesn't matter. The CPU's are all overkill, all the real problems with performance is elsewhere. Get a very nice cutting edge mobo with an AMD cpu over some intel system you pull off the walmart shelf, the AMD system will blow away the Intel system.

I never had problems with the heat, I've never lost an AMD system. I have lost three intel systems. I've had many systems since the 80's, four right now. The only one sitting here broken from two AMD and two Intel - is the intel system.

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noromyxo
Corus Aerospace
#10 - 2014-01-23 22:51:26 UTC
Build a gaming pc yourself, it's easier then Meccano, and you can spend €200 more on bling for your machine.

youtube: how to build a gaming pc, I like Carey Holzman, a 2 hr video and you're on your way.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#11 - 2014-01-24 03:16:17 UTC
Looks like the Intel AMD debate is still going strong........

But seriously.....

In the 90's, I was all about using Intel CPU's on the best board. Then real life hit me about ten years ago, and now, I use AMD as I'm on a budget. Actually, the wife sets the budget, a fairly modest one, to build myself a computer every few years.

My current build, I picked an AMD Phenom II x6 1100T Black Edition. It was, at the time (2.5 years ago), a hell of a lot cheaper then a comparable Intel CPU. It does run about 50c under most conditions, but I'm using the stock cooler, and as long as I keep the heat sink clean, I have no issues with it.

I also coupled the CPU with a mid - high range ASUS motherboard, 16GB of memory, yadda yadda. The only thing I would change now, is the video card. My GTX 480 is getting long in the tooth.

So....

Intel if you have the money, as they have taken the higher end CPU market.

AMD if your on a budget. Their CPUs are, in my opinion, still overkill for most anything.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Serenity Miner
Faster than Light Inc
#12 - 2014-01-24 03:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenity Miner
AMD A10--6700 3.7 Ghz with Readon 8670D graphics love it 2 eve clients, with movie and web, graphics all the way up on eve and no slow down or glitches

Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan

4 Wars are enough, Retired US Army O-3

Eranicus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-25 07:33:19 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
In the upcoming months I'm building a new rig.

I'm undecided about the CPU though.

I can't decide between Intel or AMD, I'm looking at either an i5 or A8/FX chip.

Suggestions?



i7 intel, if you go that way.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-01-26 16:41:39 UTC
Dak Dallocort wrote:
If you're on a budget, the FX-6300 and an AMD 970 motherboard is a really good value at ~$200. Intel i5's are more power efficient, run cooler, and perform better, but expect to pay at least $180 for the chip alone. The money saved by getting AMD can be put towards a better GPU, which is more important in terms of gaming performance.

OP that's the reason you can go with AMD for EVE, because EVE is graphics intensive. put what you can into graphics cards, first priority.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#15 - 2014-01-27 08:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
For most practical purposes, AMD is just as fine as Intel, and more reasonably priced.
If you're a performance nut however, and price is not much of an issue, go with Intel.


More to the point, for EVE-Online, anything other than heavy-duty fleet combat, AMD is more than enough.
In heavy-duty fleet combat, not even the fastest Intel can really give you a truly smooth performance at max graphics detail.
So might as well save the cash and go AMD.


Side-note...
Marie Hartinez wrote:
The only thing I would change now, is the video card. My GTX 480 is getting long in the tooth.

I'm using the same old 1GB GTX 460 "v1" I got initially for this machine three and a half years ago (before that it was a paltry GT 8500 in the previous machine), which is noticeably less than what you have, but it's still decent enough for most of the stuff I bother using it for nowadays (and that includes EVE-Online).

In fact, if you plan on keeping moderate graphic detail levels and only single-boxing, some of the modern integrated graphics solutions are already adequate for EVE, you don't even need to bother getting a graphics card at all.
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#16 - 2014-02-05 03:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxylan
Dunno, personaly got amd grafic card and intel cpu, modern AMD hardware components are solid and efficient, in general Intel are faster but AMD got best price - efficienty ratio.

Ps.Personaly got intell i5 4670k, very strong i5 based on haswell core, in somes cases even faster than some i7, not expensive and strong CPU.

If it bleed we can kill it.

Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#17 - 2014-02-05 03:14:50 UTC
Don't skrimp go intel.
the12b
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-05 21:38:36 UTC
Intel if you can afford a proper one , if low budget , amd probably
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-03-06 17:26:05 UTC
Are 4 hyperthreaded i7 cores better than 8 FX cores when running more than 4 instances of EVE? Or when, say, an extra monitor is being used for HD video playback or some other high priority applications are running simultaneously with EVE to drive the number of concurrent high priority threads over 4?

Basically, is the efficiency of Intel cores enough to make hyperthreading superior to extra lower efficiency cores when running more than 4 high priority processes?
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#20 - 2014-03-06 17:42:00 UTC
You really don't need Intel for eve unless heat and power consumption is a key factor for you and or money is not. Buy better video cards with the money you save with getting a AMD CPU.
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