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Missile Abaddon t2 version as a new boat?
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Katie Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-01-22 16:05:07 UTC
It seems that every class of amarr ships have a dedicated missile boat as a counterpart to the tech 2 laser platforms.
Frigate: Retribution - Vengance
Destroyer: Coercer - Heretic
Cruiser: Zealot - sacrilege
Battlecruiser: Damnation - Absolution
Battleship: Paladin - ?

Why not make a nice missile ship with the abaddon hull with the grey/blue color scheme.
It is one of the nicest looking hulls around and IMO there should be a sweet t2 version of that.

Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-01-22 16:22:52 UTC
What role would you want it to fill?
Another marauder?
Logistics, Commands, Dictor?

I don't see what's left, maybe an capital as these tier3 BS are heavy ships of the line.

Oh and please no more Amarr Heretic Missile boat, the paint job is nice but it feel wrong to have a weapon system appearing from nowhere just on t2 hulls.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2014-01-22 16:26:38 UTC
Odithia wrote:
What role would you want it to fill?

Assault Battleship.

Quote:
a weapon system appearing from nowhere just on t2 hulls.

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Oh god.
Katie Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-01-22 16:42:59 UTC
Not another marauder but maybe a heavy assault battleship that matches a paladin with firepower (but done with guns or missiles)
Not being able to fit bastion modules because the hull is a pretty good tank off the shelf.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#5 - 2014-01-22 16:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Riot Girl wrote:
Odithia wrote:
What role would you want it to fill?

Assault Battleship.


this is different from marauder how?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2014-01-22 16:49:22 UTC
Faster, less utility highs, less bastion modules, less tractor beam bonuses, 50% MWD sig, extra cap recharge, T2 resists.

Oh god.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-01-22 16:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
unidenify wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Odithia wrote:
What role would you want it to fill?

Assault Battleship.


this is different from marauder how?

This.
Marauders are (balanced ) assault battleship.

Riot Girl wrote:

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Then Khanid need to make some T1 armor tanked Missile ships. It makes no sense in term of consistency and player progression.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#8 - 2014-01-22 16:54:18 UTC
Really.

Oh god.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#9 - 2014-01-22 18:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Noxisia Arkana
It would be nice to have some more battlship hulls. But a more nimble damage platform is really the role that the Tier 3 battlecruisers are filling. I would argue that they should continue in that role.

I would agree that the Maurader is not really an assault ship, with bastion mode it makes a great anchor for whatever you happen to be doing - however mobility is NOT their strong suit (MJD bonus is nice but doesn't make the ship any more nimble).

Missile Abaddon t2 version as a new boat:
Battleship - Paladin - ?

That's not really a fair assumption though - because Caldari have Missile/Rail everything and their maurader is missile based and rail kinda gets nada. Same with Gallente no T2 drone boat.

I think we'll need to play a little bit of wait and see until after they hit black-ops to see if there is a role that still needs to be filled.
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#10 - 2014-01-22 18:45:39 UTC
Odithia wrote:

Riot Girl wrote:

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Then Khanid need to make some T1 armor tanked Missile ships. It makes no sense in term of consistency and player progression.




Actually it fits perfectly. On top of the perfectly reasonable lore reasons, it is also right around the time the player should start cross training other races any way.
Katie Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-01-22 20:49:20 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
It would be nice to have some more battlship hulls. But a more nimble damage platform is really the role that the Tier 3 battlecruisers are filling. I would argue that they should continue in that role.


The t3 bc are nice and versatile but they rly have all their roles covered. They can never fit the role of a t2 missile abaddon HABS. heavy assault battleship. Which amarr is missing IMO looking at other ships that do offer a missile platform on the amarr side.


Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Missile Abaddon t2 version as a new boat:
Battleship - Paladin - ?

That's not really a fair assumption though - because Caldari have Missile/Rail everything and their maurader is missile based and rail kinda gets nada. Same with Gallente no T2 drone boat.


Haven't looked into it but my best guess is that every race has their own ships that take a side track from the obvious training (like missile boats on amarr) and they should make a t2 HABS for them as well.
I'll be happy just as long as they use the abaddon hull because we've got enough bananas and dild oos already.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-01-23 10:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Riot Girl wrote:

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Then Khanid need to make some T1 armor tanked Missile ships. It makes no sense in term of consistency and player progression.




Actually it fits perfectly. On top of the perfectly reasonable lore reasons, it is also right around the time the player should start cross training other races any way.

Caldari T1 : Missiles and Hybrid
Caldari T2 : Missiles and Hybrid
Gallente T1 : Drones and Hybrid
Gallente T2 : Drones and Hybrid
Minmatar T1 : Autocanons and Missiles
Minmatar T2 : Autocanons
Amarr T1 : Lasers and Drones
Amarr T2 : Lasers and Missiles (and Drones on Pilgrim/Curse)

See the inconsistency?
Sid Crash
#13 - 2014-01-23 11:04:10 UTC
Actually, Amarr needs more T2 drone ships and the ones they have need to be better.
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#14 - 2014-01-23 19:49:24 UTC
Odithia wrote:
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Riot Girl wrote:

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Then Khanid need to make some T1 armor tanked Missile ships. It makes no sense in term of consistency and player progression.




Actually it fits perfectly. On top of the perfectly reasonable lore reasons, it is also right around the time the player should start cross training other races any way.

Caldari T1 : Missiles and Hybrid
Caldari T2 : Missiles and Hybrid
Gallente T1 : Drones and Hybrid
Gallente T2 : Drones and Hybrid
Minmatar T1 : Autocanons and Missiles
Minmatar T2 : Autocanons
Amarr T1 : Lasers and Drones
Amarr T2 : Lasers and Missiles (and Drones on Pilgrim/Curse)

See the inconsistency?


The inconsistency is that they are started adding a bunch of T1 Drone boats for Amarr, not that they have had T2 missile boats. If your complaint was that the T1 drone boats should be changed to missiles I would agree fully. The lore for the Khanid boats has been around for ages.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2014-01-23 19:58:29 UTC
Odithia wrote:
What role would you want it to fill?


its role is missile abaddon as clearly stated in the title.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-01-24 00:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bullet Therapist
Riot Girl wrote:
Faster, less utility highs, less bastion modules, less tractor beam bonuses, 50% MWD sig, extra cap recharge, T2 resists.

You mean what marauders should have been in the first place?

Seriously, marauders...
Toxic Raioin
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-01-25 01:10:34 UTC
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Odithia wrote:
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Odithia wrote:

Riot Girl wrote:

It doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from Khanid.

Then Khanid need to make some T1 armor tanked Missile ships. It makes no sense in term of consistency and player progression.




Actually it fits perfectly. On top of the perfectly reasonable lore reasons, it is also right around the time the player should start cross training other races any way.

Caldari T1 : Missiles and Hybrid
Caldari T2 : Missiles and Hybrid
Gallente T1 : Drones and Hybrid
Gallente T2 : Drones and Hybrid
Minmatar T1 : Autocanons and Missiles
Minmatar T2 : Autocanons
Amarr T1 : Lasers and Drones
Amarr T2 : Lasers and Missiles (and Drones on Pilgrim/Curse)

See the inconsistency?


The inconsistency is that they are started adding a bunch of T1 Drone boats for Amarr, not that they have had T2 missile boats. If your complaint was that the T1 drone boats should be changed to missiles I would agree fully. The lore for the Khanid boats has been around for ages.


I was pretty disappointed CCP developed a silly drone fetish during the rebalance. T1 missile boats made much more sense.