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Wardec fees increasing with use
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Jaschar Verge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-24 18:52:12 UTC
First, I wanna start with the fact that I *did* search the forums for similar posts.

It's a simple proposition. Many of us are familiar with the cost of a wardec. And new players/corporations are punished for being new. My idea is simple. When you declare war against a corporation, it costs, let's say (picking a round number) 40mil. Your new wardec fee will be, let's say (picking another round number here) 100mil. That will last about a week as it gradually falls down to 70mil. Another week passes, it falls to 55mil (see the trend? It's got a half-life of a week +40m) If you declare another war, it'll rise exponentially higher, so if you declare one at 70m, it'll raise to (another round number here) 120m. I feel this should reduce the number of griefer-wardecs. We would need a method to prevent people from simply flashing their corps, yes, but I do feel like I got something here.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2014-01-24 18:55:26 UTC
Your idea punishes new players and corporations.

Oh god.
Jaschar Verge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-24 19:19:04 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Your idea punishes new players and corporations.


Can you expand on that a bit?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2014-01-24 19:21:04 UTC
Your idea makes war less accessible to new players and corporations.

Oh god.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2014-01-24 19:46:31 UTC
so the only ppl who can declare war are rich ppl...or older players.

u also seem to think declaring many wars at once is a bad thing, why?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2014-01-24 20:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
FYI

- Wardecs currently cost 50 million ISK + (x players in defending corp * 500,000) or something. Alliance war decs start around 500 to 1 billion ISK (I'm at work so I am working from the top of my head).

- Wardec costs already DOUBLE for each week they are active.

- Only the defending corp can hire allies.



The odds are already stacked in the defender's favor. The fact that many corps crumble under a war dec has more to do with their ineptness than anything else.

One way or another, Darwin shall claim his own.

Edit: also this been brought up in the distant past.

How did you Veterans start?
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#7 - 2014-01-24 20:59:54 UTC
+1 for doing research... though I don't agree with your idea.

It punishes new and old players alike. Not every EvE vet is sitting on a pile of Isk, and old vets are likely to have hit that war-dec button a couple extra times.

So, not awesome.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#8 - 2014-01-24 21:01:15 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
FYI

- Wardecs currently cost 50 million ISK + (x players in defending corp * 500,000) or something. Alliance war decs start around 500 to 1 billion ISK (I'm at work so I am working from the top of my head).

- Wardec costs already DOUBLE for each week they are active.

- Only the defending corp can hire allies.



The odds are already stacked in the defender's favor. The fact that many corps crumble under a war dec has more to do with their ineptness than anything else.

One way or another, Darwin shall claim his own.

Edit: also this been brought up in the distant past.



I think they took out the alliance cost? I could be mistaken, I thought it was based on members active over 50.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2014-01-25 04:51:19 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
FYI

- Wardecs currently cost 50 million ISK + (x players in defending corp * 500,000) or something. Alliance war decs start around 500 to 1 billion ISK (I'm at work so I am working from the top of my head).

- Wardec costs already DOUBLE for each week they are active.

- Only the defending corp can hire allies.
.


indeed. **** the sandbox

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Jaschar Verge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-25 12:55:15 UTC
It's nice to get logical feedback, even if it is all negative (though its on-topic, so I digg it).

I want a new player or old player to pay the same or less as they normally do. I want war-mongerers to pay more. If you're having a war once a month, it should be quite cheap.

It was asked why I'm against multiple wardecs - maybe that's best answered with another question, when has a multi-sided wardec been an advantage outside when your victims are defenseless?

To be completely honest, I don't see wardec as anything more than a bribe to CONCORD (not that I'm claiming CCP corruption) to look the other way. Yes, it would be nice to see 1 miner corp call for war against another miner corp but there's 2 problems there:

1: many miners stick to NPC corps (because it doesn't hurt them...that's a problem for another post but I reiterate, I've done my research and there's a reason I *didn't* make a post about that...*******, some people don't check).
2: I simply don't see that happening in highsec, lowsec, it makes sense but wardecs aren't as necessary in low-nullsec. Note: *as* necessary.

But that's just one example. I'm sure you all have your own reasons for war.

I'm told this was touched on by another post. I must've missed that. Since there's a lot of lively logical feedback, I'm going to leave this up.