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Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#1 - 2014-01-24 14:59:22 UTC
A Large Caldari Tower with resists of 57%/57%/57%/71% has how much EHP?
stoicfaux
#2 - 2014-01-24 15:00:55 UTC
a) 42

b) shields / (1.0 - resists) + armor / (1.0 - resists) + hull

c) None of the above.

d) All of the above.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-01-24 15:02:39 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
a) 42

b) shields / (1.0 - resists) + armor / (1.0 - resists) + hull

c) None of the above.

d) All of the above.



e) as much as a tower with 37%/37%/37%/81%

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-24 15:07:54 UTC
The question is way too inaccurate ... and basic math is hard, hu?

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Verlane Nalelmir
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-01-24 15:08:04 UTC
Probably the wrong section of the forums for that question.
Kris Xavier
C5 Flight
Fraternity.
#6 - 2014-01-24 15:09:24 UTC
The base EHP would be 78.5m for the 57% resists, and 85.5m for the 71% resist.
Remember, that with these resists it has a peak shield recharge rate of 942 dps and 1026 dps respectively.

That is just its shield, not armor or structure.
Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#7 - 2014-01-24 15:10:56 UTC
Kris Xavier wrote:
The base EHP would be 78.5m for the 57% resists, and 85.5m for the 71% resist.
Remember, that with these resists it has a peak shield recharge rate of 942 dps and 1026 dps respectively.

That is just its shield, not armor or structure.

Thanks for the answer, care to share the formula or did stoic already do that?
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#8 - 2014-01-24 16:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
Kris Xavier wrote:
The base EHP would be 78.5m for the 57% resists, and 85.5m for the 71% resist.
Remember, that with these resists it has a peak shield recharge rate of 942 dps and 1026 dps respectively.

That is just its shield, not armor or structure.

Thanks for the answer, care to share the formula or did stoic already do that?

Stoic was close.

You basically multiple the base HP by 1 + Resist.

So if you have 1000 base HP and a 45% resist, you would do

1000 * (1+0.45), giving 1450 EHP.

Edit :: I'm an idiot who was thinking of the wrong percentages in EvE. Ignore this comment of mine and see others' below.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#9 - 2014-01-24 16:30:17 UTC
Because you're informing us through using a device called a COMPUTER that the math somehow escapes you. Put the game away and figure out all the other things that complicated machine in front of you can do.
Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#10 - 2014-01-24 16:47:07 UTC
Ha ha ha, you're so very funny.

I wasn't aware of how it was calculated, I know CCP likes to use what I would consider overly complicated math at times so I wanted to make sure I got it right.

Now go be snarky in someone else's thread.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#11 - 2014-01-24 16:50:07 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:


Now go be snarky in someone else's thread.


"snarky"
A word that should be googled to find the definition as per direction from Dane Cook. It means short tempered or irritable.
"He was being very snarky with me. Yeah, snarky. Its a word, google it." -Dane Cook

Egad, Dane Cook is terrible.


Just terrible.

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Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#12 - 2014-01-24 16:56:19 UTC
Google wrote:
snark·y
ˈsnärkē/
adjectiveinformal
1.
(of a person, words, or a mood) sharply critical; cutting; snide.
"the kid who makes snarky remarks in class"


There I googled it for you. I would also like to remind you that you brought up the terrible Dane Cook.

Google wrote:
snide
snīd
adjective
1.
derogatory or mocking in an indirect way.
"snide remarks about my mother"
synonyms: disparaging, derogatory, deprecating, denigratory, insulting, contemptuous, dismissive; More
(of a person) devious and underhanded.
"a snide divorce lawyer"
2.
BRIT.
counterfeit; inferior.
"snide Rolex watches"
noun
noun: snide; plural noun: snides
1.
an unpleasant or underhanded person or remark.


Just in case you were wondering what the other "sn" word meant.
Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-24 16:58:48 UTC
Depends on damage type being shot at it....
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#14 - 2014-01-24 16:58:58 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:


Needless offense


Wow you are not a very nice person.

I had googled it, and it brought up terrible Dean Cook.

I wasn't commenting on you, so I don't know what your problem is.

Wait I do, you're just a meanie :(

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Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#15 - 2014-01-24 17:06:43 UTC
Billy McCandless wrote:
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:


Needless offense


Wow you are not a very nice person.

I had googled it, and it brought up terrible Dean Cook.

I wasn't commenting on you, so I don't know what your problem is.

Wait I do, you're just a meanie :(

I happen to be a very nice person once you get to know me.

However, that being stated, I learned early that the best defense is a good offense and to not hesitate to respond to a slight whether perceived or real.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#16 - 2014-01-24 17:08:05 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:


However, that being stated, I learned early that the best defense is a good offense and to not hesitate to respond to a slight whether perceived or real.


You remind me of a country I once knew

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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#17 - 2014-01-24 17:10:17 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
Ha ha ha, you're so very funny.

I wasn't aware of how it was calculated, I know CCP likes to use what I would consider overly complicated math at times so I wanted to make sure I got it right.

Now go be snarky in someone else's thread.

No man, the point of you not understanding how percentages work is what's worrysome here.

If Petrol, Oil, Gas and Plastic had a 37%, 42%, 55%, and 72% increment to their base prices being 200, 180, 395, and 10 respectively, would you not be able to figure it out?

I mean, I learned this on 6th grade.

It used to look like this:

"A Factory produces Petrol, Oil, Gas and Plastic. Petrol costs 200/unit, Oil costs 180/unit, Gas costs 395/unit and Plastic costs 10/unit. Due a Hisec AFK Freighter ship being hijacked by Gankers, there was an increment onthe cost of Petrol of 37%, on Oil of 42%, on Gas of 55% and on Plastic of 72%. If the Factory's net income was of 78500moneys, what would their proyected earnings be with these new prices?"

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2014-01-24 17:37:20 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
A Large Caldari Tower with resists of 57%/57%/57%/71% has how much EHP?


A large caldari tower has 50m shield HP.

50m / ( 1 - .57 ) = 116m Shield EHP unless shooting the .71 resist (in which case it has more).

There is also armor and structure, but that is much less. To RF the tower, you need to shoot it down to 25% Shields.

You can also use the POS Fitting Tool to see how much EHP your tower will have in total:
http://eve.1019.net/pos/

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#19 - 2014-01-24 17:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
Kris Xavier wrote:
The base EHP would be 78.5m for the 57% resists, and 85.5m for the 71% resist.
Remember, that with these resists it has a peak shield recharge rate of 942 dps and 1026 dps respectively.

That is just its shield, not armor or structure.

Thanks for the answer, care to share the formula or did stoic already do that?

Stoic was close.

You basically multiple the base HP by 1 + Resist.

So if you have 1000 base HP and a 45% resist, you would do

1000 * (1+0.45), giving 1450 EHP.


Winter is incorrect.

Resists are damage reduction.

Shoot D damage, and D * ( 1 - Resist) is the damage that gets through.

Amount of damage D you'd need to do to kill a structure with HP H is:

H = D * ( 1 - Resists).

EHP is the fancy way of saying, the total amount of damage an enemy must do to destroy it, aka D.
EHP (aka D) = H / ( 1 - Resists ).
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#20 - 2014-01-24 17:43:16 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:


This is incorrect.

Resists are damage reduction.

Shoot D damage, and D * ( 1 - Resist) is the damage that gets through.

Amount of damage D you'd need to do to kill a structure with HP H is:

H = D * ( 1 - Resists).

EHP is the fancy way of saying, the total amount of damage an enemy must do to destroy it, aka D.
D = H / ( 1 - Resists ).



Wouldnt you need 1450 to destroy a 1000 hp object with 45% resist then?

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