Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, here I sit, in some carebears system. Cloaked up, some 300K off a moon. I keep asking them to give me ISK and I'll leave. For some odd reason they don't think I'm trustworthy.

I've been here for hours, trying to extort ISK out of the carebears to no avail. They've tried everything under the sun to get me to leave, other than pay me off. (measly 300 mil) Baits, taunts, bad jokes. I can't really kill anything (just in a cheetah, but they don't know that)

But recently I've engaged these renters in conversations regarding cloaking. they think i'm some dirty sell out and cloaks need to have some massive drawback as being cloaked for hours it OP. (i've made dinner and watched tv while sitting in their system)

One of them actually came up with something not nerfhammery. Cloaks have a timer of 30 minutes. I just kept telling them cloaks aren't OP and bacon is the one true god. But I want to hear everyone else's opinion on this.

Do you all think that cloaks should have some timer? and just can't be permaran? You could still camp systems and watch those wonderfully laggy TiDi battles in null, you just have to come back and press a button every 30 minutes.

Or how about people start working together instead of assuming that they can min/max by themselves with little interference? If people in low-sec can earn an income in their area of choice with multiple hostiles around, so can null-sec people. It just requires some *effort.*

We can nerf cloaking as soon as the nullbears get their

1) local
2) completely invulnerability provided by local (unless they are a dumbass and just dont watch it)
3) the power projection allowing their 30 dep blue SOV to exist
4) the power projection preventing anyone from taking a system anywhere unless they magically create an even bigger coalition (PP needs to be nerfed hard enough i think it deserves to be a reason twice).

all of these get a nerf, then you can nerf cloaks.

As far as caps go, they should be absolute HELL to move, ships you only use for defense of a system they are either already in or VERY close to, make them hard enough to send long distances (maybe combination of hellish fuel requirements and jump-cooldown timer that increases exponentially the farther they try to jump) that youd only commit them if you REALLY wanted an enemy dead.

hell, make supers and titans never disappear from space, that way if you wantt o log out in one, better put it in a POS (possible anchored with a module that you need 1 of per super/titan with medium fitting reqs on the POS) that your guys can defend, that'd help with the super/titan proliferation. and would look cool when/if modular pos's get made and some alliances end up with a massive drydock for hundreds of caps in various systems.


But back on topic, seriously, if the mechanics that allow you to be so perfectly safe the only way to harass you is to sit cloaked, dont get changed, then why should cloaking, being the only viable counter to 30-deep blue SOV with intel system and local-update/grid-loading delay giving you several seconds to initiate warp from your belt/anom.

How can we nerf cloaks like that? I want to take naps in wormholes without decloaking to log in or out.

If cloaking gets nerfed, then so does docking, and hiding in POSes. After half an hour, you should automatically undock and warp to the sun.

nope, cloaks dont need timer. Everyone should be able to sit whereever he likes for how long he likes, even afk. This is one of the core gameplay elements.

Yeah.... about that...

I know it is inconvenient to ask people to adapt, and actually play a PvP game, but it seriously needs to be done.

This is not farming, or grinding.
This is not the obstacle to your gameplay in a different PvP ship.
Mining and ratting in null, along with every other PvE activity there, is intended to be done under direct threat of potential violence from other players.

We are playing a competitive game here, where we all get into spaceships and shoot at each other.
Complaining that someone is playing head games with you does not support an argument here.
Either go where they cannot hurt you, play so they cannot hurt you, or get others to protect you.

If you want to try and make ISK faster by going into a war zone, don't cry about how people might shoot at you, or lurk waiting to ambush you.
Null is a war zone.
High sec is also a war zone, but has details you can leverage to make play safer if you are smart about it. (IE: not making yourself an attractive target, and having enough defense so when Concord shows up you are the survivor.)

The burden of making the game playable is yours, and yours alone.