EVE General Discussion

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Your attempts to convince yourselves you arent in a **** corp is cute. A meager 15% is a low price to pay for versatility... maybe not the best if your pure goal is only making isk, but thats losing sight of the whole point of this game: Having fun.

If I want to harvest tears, I can. I can go to empire and scam some idiot pubbie who desperately wants to join goons (and there are many... plus this is tax free and far easier than running some site) or I can gank them if I don't feel like talking, and I get reimbursed to where I make isk from it and laugh at some mindless miner.

If I want pve, I can. Access to the best ratting space in all of new eden, exploration sites galore, group ratting expeditions with theta, or even the occasional wormhole expedition.

If I want small gang pvp, I can. EC gate offers a constant flow of small gang combat at command, basically 23/7... in addition there are always roams going out and about, with the most fun among them being frigate suicide roams.

If I want large fleet pvp, I can. We have a campaign in Delve that constantly sees combat among hundreds of ships on both sides and allows the experience of sov warfare.

So congrats, you have 0% tax but only a fraction of the opportunities that I have at my fingertips. I can experience literally ever facet of the sandbox, whereas you are limited to one little corner of it. And I still end up making more isk than you. As for the idea of some kind of draconian rules on comms, youve obviously never been on goon comms.

I pity you.

To the OP:

You start off good, but you sound like someone who has not completely escaped the box. It's like someone complaining about how marriage is a rigged game, how ALL women take advantage of it, etc, and then says "so how do I find the right woman with whom marriage won't suck, when I am convinced that all marriage sucks?"

It's easy to notice, and this is not just in games, but in RL, how people get ideas planted into their heads as to how things should be, so such an extent that they come to expect things and do things in what they think is expected to be done, without ever questioning the source of the expectation or why such actions are automatic.

Nobody asks why - or few do - nor find their own path.

I roam WH and 0.0 space alone, accomplishing my goals and doing what I want in freedom without having to deal with anybody else. But then I didn't automatically think to get married without asking why I would, did not automatically go to college after high school and questioned the need for it, and many other aspects not handled in the "mainstream way".

The alliance lords have so manipulated the culture of this game, to such an extent, that nobody thinks they can get out of high sec without being a renter, cannon fodder, or a target.

Key words: NOBODY. THINKS.

(just like RL too).


When you think of what you want, don't think of what you need before you start to do what you can to get what you want. And most important: don't rely on the culture of this game for any insight or guidance because the outcome will not be anything a freeman will find acceptable.

I think the whole serf thing might have been kind of a bit my fault? If it is let me say I was writing a satire not trying to make a meme/ new Eve slang. That said, even if it isn't: It is perfectly possible to have corp ops that earn more than a 10% tax if you have clever people who want to do the long math on making cooperation pay off. And I mean pay off all around in that the members make OK isk while they are helping out. I've seen it and I've done it. Taxes are just a lot easier for the entrepreneurially dis-inclined. I honestly cannot say for sov because I have never been far enough inside the economics of Null Sov to do the math. All that said a lot of corps (In and out of sov) really do treat a lot of members like peasants. And I am not the first person to notice that. And I really don't think it is even intentional they just don't have a plan and so their members are not as consequential. Get a good corp and by that I mean one that has a plan and a good one. And when I say a good one I mean one that includes you and what you want to do with the game. If you can't lone wolf it. It's not an easy answer because there is no easy answer.

This thread is actually a metaphor for the real life economic debate.

You have libertarians, who argue that nobody should pay taxes.

Then you have the socialists who actually believe that certain services are much better if they are paid for with public funding.

Trickle down economics!

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Don't worry, people have been calling 0.0 sheep out on this for years and drawing that comparison. It is a rather fruitless exercise though, people are just too conditioned.

The moment this game allows raidable moon mining arrays i will just take tech and dump it in a safe spot as many times as i can before destroying the lot from range with a volley of missiles.

Ill even train missiles to do it.

Thats one thing i can do alone in nullsec

Feels good man

and yes i would do all of that.

OP needs to learn that operating a corp requires isk and LOTS....LOTS of time. It's all a matter of what people are willing to pay to belong to an organization that makes the overall gaming experience easier and more fun.