Ships & Modules

OK..kinda getting lost and confused here. Any one (that has more of a clue than me) post a L4 shield fit and a L4 armour fit that does respectable DPS output (600+) and also has decent 'Tank Ability' (300+).

I've invested quite a lot of points in shield and drones over the last couple of months.

Well depends a bit shield tanking does allow for 1-2 extra damage mods, while armor tanking provides more painters, webs or TCs in case of turret ships. From my personal experience, armor blows shield out of the water once you can do L4s with minimum tank, because it only costs you one heavy stacking penalized damage mod and gives you overall a much better damage application by stacking TCs, omni links for drones, painters or bringing a web. If you need 4+ slots to armor tank, shield is plain better(at 2-3 slots armor really shines since you can still pack 4 damage mods with all the meds to play with).



It is more like flying a phoon with a 2 slot shield or 3 slot armor tank is a bit more challenging, it has little to do with shield or armor.

This would be a advanced armor setup(again if you are new to L4 you will need more tank) with the fleet phoon, dps with imps is a bit over 1.2k @ 50km(so on the same level with other good ships for the job), while the mwd moves you around. The guns are only useful for poping frigs and close stuff, they add another 150 dps but only against very close stuff.

[Typhoon Fleet Issue, L4 advanced armor]
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II


Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Garde II x5
Warrior II x5

a) it's a fleet phoon
b) it has no tank and not enough amazing dps to make up for that
c) applying painters is annoying, they're also not needed vs BC (my and your fit do almost the exact same dps to a standard Cane) and only useful against cruisers where you'll easily get overkill and want to split up your painters which.... sucks
d) I highly doubt you actually ever flew that because that's just an EFT Orgasmatron.

0.02 standings from L4 missions.....still gotta save a lil more for my BS tho

Well it is a bit squishy but it does the job, you can run the repper for about 4.5 minutes, you never should mwd and rep at the same time. It actually does tank a bit worse than most shield setups, then again it got the better application(by freeing the meds) and you could improve the tank with a bit more ISK(however not really needed).



A: true it is, however it isn't that expensive and offers a lot of spare drones, EHP and better dps
B: I got told the same about my Abaddon during the amarr BS rebalancing thread(that it can't do L4 at all etc.), funny fact is that people that called me out did shut up after showed them a recon 1/3 done with a 200 dps tank and even less cap with the hull, simply by gank tanking the spawns
C: we might have different levels where the micromanagement becomes annoying
D: there is little I didn't fly in eve during the last few years and I have dozens of similar fitted BS laying around(all the marauders, mach, vindi, cnr, rattlesnake, NM, navy Apoc etc.), since I often test stuff when it comes to changes, truth to be told, I actually prefer the mach/navy apoc over it, since it handles small stuff quicker and volley counting really gets annoying during multi boxing a 2. BS and a noctis at the same time, for solo it is quite relaxing, since the sentry dps window is 20km bigger than on the mach or navy apoc and the hull loses no dps while moving(different to the turret hulls)

Can nobody fit a decent L4 Angel missioning Phoon? Here's one I used, tried and tested, solid dps and application and cheap. However it does require good skills to get the most out of.

[Typhoon, Shield Missions]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

100MN Afterburner II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Bouncer II x4
Warrior II x5

You get 500dps tank out of it as long as you have cap charges. Deals 1189dps to 80km with 100% damage type selection. Has an afterburner to burn to gates. This is designed for Angels and for other factions you may have to drop the afterburner for another hardener depending on the mission. Kill stuff fast enough and you won't even have to use the cap booster. Use the sentry drones to blap frigs while they are at range, kill Battlecruisers first to drop the dps on field significantly then go for cruisers/battleships.

It has 81km targeting range, I don't see the issue.

Having said that, only 2 T1 rigors means you lose quite a bit of applied dps and you lose a TON of applied dps if you start using Fury.

This is a fit I came up for Sansha. I basically made it as cheap as I possibly could and I haven't tested it yet but I have a good feeling about it.

[Typhoon, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

100MN Afterburner II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Bay Loading Accelerator I

Here is what I have used...C:

[Typhoon, LVL 4 Angel shield]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Gist X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Bouncer II x4

This one will give you 1259 DPS with Bouncers and Fury Missiles. The TP adds to application, the SB is loaded for scan res (and kept empty if you MJD over 100km), your angel combined tank is 230/320 (more than enough for an MJD ship), you got an MJD and more than 3m of cap. Cost rigged is 350mil, enjoy.

If you are going for an armor version:

[Typhoon, LVL 4 Sansha Armor]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Bouncer II x4

This one will give you 1116 DPS with Bouncers and Fury Missiles. The 2 TPs add to application, the SB is loaded for scan res (and kept empty if you MJD over 100km), the omni gives you some projection, your sansha combined tank is 420/700 (more than enough), you got an MJD and more than 3m of cap. Cost rigged is 330mil, enjoy.

@Riot Girl. You are a little over in CPU, good fit btw. Faction one of the EM hardeners, its very cheap and will give you enough CPU with missile rig skills at 4 to do it.

At least I certainly wont put an afterburner and NOS on it (or pay 1440mil isk for a T1 L4 BS). You do understand why/how MJD ships work for PvE, right?