EVE General Discussion

yes, he is. first 15 seconds
then up to 15 minutes he is afk

i'm not sure but i think mining needs you to pay attention more often than once in 15 minutes

Would love to see a bit more "active" mining. Using the PI system of having to extract from higher concentrated areas could be nice. Those who AFK get less yield, those who stay can increase their yield.

+1

Being that I trained perfect mining skills and have been mining in eve since 2006, I started this game as a miner. I feel like I know the system better than a non-miner, thank you. It is unfortunate that CCP turned mining and it's systems into what it is. The player base is steadily growing and even if every 1/5 pilots becomes a miner. That usually means they will create 2-3 alt accounts making it more on average of every 2/5 or 3/5 pilots being into mining. The current system rewards higher m3 for obvious reasons. But it also inflates the market when we have bots, 3+ mining alts, and access to minerals from reprocessing items.

The current system can not be balanced or rather will not be balanced. This is because mining is one of the top blocks in the eve online market pyramid. As it has grown bigger, it has put more and more weight on the blocks below it. I fear for this balance of the scales. The reason I have PVE skills is more in reflection for me to be able to do what I want. Over the years as that block has gotten fatter I go and dip into activities that become more profitable. This has been in remedy with incursions, missions, trade, etc.

The problem we face today almost 11 years after EVE-O's birth, is one of scaling, rather than broken mechanics. I fail to see why EVE will not hit 1,000,000 subscribers. Or when the log in server will show 250,000 active pilots on a regular basis. If we do not find a reasonable solution to the problem. I fear we will make that block to fat. Production will go too far. People will get tired of waiting to make more than 5-10 million isk an hour.

And there is the argument that as numbers increase the cost and demand will follow in a steady balancing act that we have seen in the past. But what we can also expect is that the time for the balance to take effect will be on a more unimaginable scale as well. As we are talking about a population spike much higher. Which means less miners waiting for things to balance out, more bot accounts that become harder to ban, and a lot more reprocessed items.

This is in part hypothetical and real game experience. No matter how we face this issue. Eventually we will have to alter or at least tinker withing mining. All in all I feel a system replacing it that is more easily tampered with than buffing and nerfing yield, would be ideal. Not all players have the patience and dedication of waiting months to years for the scales to tip. Or become accustomed to funds allowing them to pvp, or keep pace in other activities. Such as ratting, incursions, or missions, for income instead.

No.

Umm, if asteroid mining worked like PI then it would be even more AFK, wouldn't it?

That being said, I'd like it, actually. Original SWG did exactly that - you could go out and sample resources yourself (like EvE mining) or you could find a rich deposit and plant a harvester on top of it, load it with fuel, and just kick back for a few days while it chugged along on it's own (like EvE PI).

In fact, having such a system in EvE would actually create the push for "Moar PvP" that the peanut gallery is always crying for. Because if mining was 100% automated for reals then all the people who are currently doing all the mining (and that's a lot of people) would have more free time, more ships, and more stuff. In other words, when the risk drops to nothing even the risk-adverse jump in.

Meaning: If I had automatic harvesters in belts hoovering up asteroids the same that way nullbears work their moon-goo magic then I'd take losing battleships as casually as those people do, because replacing those loses would only take as long as it took me to empty the harvesters, feed a BPO into a factory slot and barf out a new one.

TLDR: Liberate the miners from the need to mine and they'd probably turn into PvPers.

Regardless of the exact change implemented, CCP should also create an intermission of the mining session every 5 mins or so with important messages from sponsors. You would need to click a button to continue within 5 seconds or lose the last 10 minutes of ore. The New Order would be happy to be the first sponsor. CCP just needs to contact James 315 to work out terms.

What silly miners have to understand is that taking the afk out of mining will likely make them more isk if they continue mining actively (the bots and bot aspirants stop mining), unless CCP makes the interaction so damn fun that everyone wants to be a miner of course. But I doubt that.

Mining and New Order ganking are both minimum skill carebear activities. Neither occupy the moral high ground.

TBH I have no problem with people with a busy life and kids AFK mining, it gives me cheaper mats for my AFK industrial toons :D

does he get a double dip for playing your game?
:)

1. lock miner, push attack button, alpha in one hit. Clearly there isn't enough button pushing in this activity and so it should be removed from the game.

2. There is a high sec activity with much less risk than mining, it is called miner bumping and I whole heartedly agree it should be eliminated.

3. Calling mining a trap is just a bias on your part, nothing more. I started as a miner and I'm nearing maxing out every mining skill the game has, it was no trap for me and there are plenty of others that find mining enjoyable. That you cannot fathom someone liking mining is the problem and the root of your bias.

4. Again, lock target, alpha. two buttons so clearly this game play takes no real effort and should be removed from the game.

5. You claim to be only concerned that miners are afk, yet from personal interaction with your organization i can assure you that even when it is beyond clear that I am not in fact afk, you still persist in bumping my vessel repeatedly.

So, since everyone playing EVE knows what your group is all about lets just call it what it is, extortion and move on shall we.