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CONFIRMED - Archons, Nyx, interceptors, nothing else matters any more in null

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-01-20 09:31:19 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
HED-GP proved the simple point. 700 dreads could only kill what, 8 archons?

The simple math proves that CCP is lying when they say there are hundreds of ships you can fit as you like and that new players can be useful in pvp. You can't.

If you cannot fly an archon, nyx, or interceptor, then there is no point playing in nullsec sov war any more. Sad, I missed the old days when t1 cruisers had a place in sov war too. Those days are gone.

And what is the core issue? Ship balance is one, but the critical issue is server stability. If you assign drones to someone, it does not matter if you are lagging horribly in TiDi (although even that breaks in 0.1 Tidi). You can still fight in an Archon, because the drones will do what they do no matter what.

Everything else that isn't an archon, Nyx or instant action ship (interceptors) - forget it. You simply cannot play once local numbers go past 600, the server starts to freak out at 1250 players, and at 2000+ there is a superb chance of 50 minute warps and outright subserver crashing. The subservers have been crashed at least twice in the Southern war so far, apparently at will by Pandemic to save their caps. And if you go past 4000? ... HED-GP happens. One side loses while not even able to see their own ships, or activate any modules, and unable to target and fire.

So basically, EVE is all about interceptors and drones now. Even the Sisters of EVE ships are drone boats. Oh and drones are immune to ECM, so that entire aspect of the game is pretty much dead, especailly in capital scale fleet warfare (which is any sov warfare now).

So yes, CCP rebalance dreads immediately, or change your advertising. About 500 players are potentially going to unsubscribe due to the debacle that is the state of nullsec warfare - and not on one side, either. It's boring to the nth power, but with the total inability of CCP to resolve the server stability issues with drone fleet doctrines, the blunt reality is that anything that isn't a drone ship is totally useless in nullsec sov war because they stop working first when the tidi hits, and the drones keep going at server speed.



Oh, and how to get the skills to fly an archon and the ship? Pay to play, of course. Change the business model to free to play rather than monthly sub if you insist on making pvp that matters capital ships only CCP. Because there are a lot of other pvp games out there using the free to play model right now, and guess what, they are more stable. When game like Star Citizen hit, EVE Online will be in deep trouble if you have not sorted out the utter disgrace that nullsec server stability and game performance has become. No excuses, you have had plenty of time to make lots of pretty expansions with items no-one uses because they were cute but fundamentally flawed in their design. Do something, or watch the Third Great War become the Last Great War.



Impressive staement from someone in an NPC corp.

CCP should forbit NPC corp postings...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-01-20 10:24:42 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
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Everything else that isn't an archon, Nyx or instant action ship (interceptors) - forget it. You simply cannot play once local numbers go past 600, the server starts to freak out at 1250 players, and at 2000+ there is a superb chance of 50 minute warps and outright subserver crashing. The subservers have been crashed at least twice in the Southern war so far, apparently at will by Pandemic to save their caps. And if you go past 4000? ... HED-GP happens. One side loses while not even able to see their own ships, or activate any modules, and unable to target and fire.




Funny how if you played this game 5 years ago, you even mentioning 4000 people involved in one fight would just get you laughed at. The fact that my former nullsec blob experiences came to "massive" fleet fights of 600-1000 people in one system and that caused the no module activation, screens not loading, bombs traveling 150km before exploding, etc. Now you moan because you want to bring 4-5x more numbers than that and complain about lag.

Take a step back and look at how a 600-1000 man fight goes down now. **** actually works and fights actually occur. So before you emorage on an alt (LoL why does everyone hide their main to post on the forums is beyond me) about how over 4000 people in one system is awful, put things in perspective. Also, did anyone notify CCP that there would be 4000 players in one system?

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Infiltrator2112
Untitled Goose Corporation
#23 - 2014-01-20 10:28:43 UTC
OP, you are so wrong, I don't know where to begin with pointing it out. So let's just start at the beginning, shall we?

Grace Ishukone wrote:
HED-GP proved the simple point. 700 dreads could only kill what, 8 archons?

The simple math proves that CCP is lying when they say there are hundreds of ships you can fit as you like and that new players can be useful in pvp. You can't.

This was not because of ship balance, it was because many of the dreads could not load and/or were stuck in the warp-tunnel. If all the dreads would've loaded properly we would have lost a lot more.

Grace Ishukone wrote:
If you cannot fly an archon, nyx, or interceptor, then there is no point playing in nullsec sov war any more. Sad, I missed the old days when t1 cruisers had a place in sov war too. Those days are gone.

SOV-Warfare does not consist of HEP-GP battles only. All kind of ships are viable in all kinds of engagements.

Grace Ishukone wrote:
And what is the core issue? Ship balance is one, but the critical issue is server stability. If you assign drones to someone, it does not matter if you are lagging horribly in TiDi (although even that breaks in 0.1 Tidi). You can still fight in an Archon, because the drones will do what they do no matter what.

SO COMPLETLY WRONG. TiDi and Server-Lag hit Drones a lot harder than other weapon-systems. Dread-Guns did not cycle properly but Drone-Assign was completely broken and Drones in general were not doing what they were supposed to do and missing a lot of cycles too.

Grace Ishukone wrote:
Everything else that isn't an archon, Nyx or instant action ship (interceptors) - forget it. You simply cannot play once local numbers go past 600, the server starts to freak out at 1250 players, and at 2000+ there is a superb chance of 50 minute warps and outright subserver crashing. The subservers have been crashed at least twice in the Southern war so far, apparently at will by Pandemic to save their caps. And if you go past 4000? ... HED-GP happens. One side loses while not even able to see their own ships, or activate any modules, and unable to target and fire.

The server handle 99% of all engagements completely fine, stop whining. Battles like HED-GP happen rarely and while it would be nice to play more fluently during those we should give CCP props for keeping it up under that heavy load in the first place.
Also Server-Crashes work both ways, it might have saved a PL Titan but it also saved BL and CFC Dread-Fleets and killed A LOT of N3PL Fighter-Bombers. In addition to that CCP stated that the bug leading to those crashed was fixed.

Grace Ishukone wrote:

So yes, CCP rebalance dreads immediately, or change your advertising. About 500 players are potentially going to unsubscribe due to the debacle that is the state of nullsec warfare - and not on one side, either. It's boring to the nth power, but with the total inability of CCP to resolve the server stability issues with drone fleet doctrines, the blunt reality is that anything that isn't a drone ship is totally useless in nullsec sov war because they stop working first when the tidi hits, and the drones keep going at server speed.

lolololololol. I will not even bother writing anything serious about... this.


Also can I have your stuff please?
Dan Carter Murray
#24 - 2014-01-20 11:59:35 UTC
new module: dread killer. only available for titans. sets armor/shield to all dreads on field to 0 (0 max armor and shield). forces dreads to structure tank.

gg gf inb4l

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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#25 - 2014-01-20 13:56:53 UTC
The boundaries of what is possible in one system will always be pushed beyond the limit.


You Dull Sec idiots complain and complain about Blob / Server issues but, none of you want to restrict the Force Projection of your cherished Caps and Super Caps that would allow for fights to happen on different fronts at the same time.

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"

Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#26 - 2014-01-20 17:23:17 UTC
6/10 whine
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#27 - 2014-01-20 19:52:19 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
HED-GP proved the simple point. Cynoing 1500 ppl to grid with another 2500 is a bad idea.


Here i fixed it for you.

If the game would function any close to standart behaviour 700 dreads would obliterate any number of archons. Even pandemic FCs were worried about their fleets survival until the servers started to fail. Read the report first man.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#28 - 2014-01-21 04:29:31 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Silverbackyererse wrote:
Colt, you should open up a little more and tell people how you really feel. It's not good keeping it all pent up inside man - one day you'll super-nova on a forum somewhere and look a little bit silly.


Thx but I dont need a priest. I am a very convinced unbeliever.



You sure ?

I know of a friendly and very Awesome Church that can help?


Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-01-21 14:12:47 UTC
Sov war is about controlling territory I'm guessing...So whilst that big fleet of carriers is crawling around wouldn't it be better to send a force to interdict the gates ahead of them to slow them further and then take your main fleet to blow up their now undefended stuff? Why engage in a battle that can't work instead of going to do something that will? The carrier fleets would either have to stay close to home or not form at all if the doctrine indirectly costs territory
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#30 - 2014-01-21 16:30:44 UTC
Capitals cannot use stargates.

I say they just use the FW mechanic for sov nullsec. Problem solved.
Salvos Rhoska
#31 - 2014-01-21 19:59:22 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

Ill admit i do use boosts when fighting out numbered but when its me and one other guy and i know hes not boosted i wont use mine i keep it cloake


Im a new player. Just over a week. I find reading this kind of thing extremely disheartening and demotivating.

If there really are that many players out there "boosting" (if Im using the term correctly) with multiple accounts simultaneously, I may just never even bother with the pvp element of the game.

Nor do I believe for a single secone, that if I somehow in a miracle managed to get one up on you, that you wouldnt deploy your alt into the engagement to win it.

Perhaps I need to move my interest and reading into PI instead or something where I am oess likely to have to deal with this kind of thing.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-01-21 20:07:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:

Ill admit i do use boosts when fighting out numbered but when its me and one other guy and i know hes not boosted i wont use mine i keep it cloake


Im a new player. Just over a week. I find reading this kind of thing extremely disheartening and demotivating.

If there really are that many players out there "boosting" (if Im using the term correctly) with multiple accounts simultaneously, I may just never even bother with the pvp element of the game.

Nor do I believe for a single secone, that if I somehow in a miracle managed to get one up on you, that you wouldnt deploy your alt into the engagement to win it.

Perhaps I need to move my interest and reading into PI instead or something where I am oess likely to have to deal with this kind of thing.


That is exactly why eve is stagnating with always the same players with more and more alts and no new players.
Really if new players convo me sometimes wtf should I tell them? "Get alts, more alts and even more alts"?

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#33 - 2014-01-21 20:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
way to write with ur forum alt there colt u make a booboo when i respond to ur plex thing and you dont answer bk but u expect me to belive u just jump bk into conversation when a nub gives u a gee up line.................

a few week aold toon isnt going to get the better of me but for arguments sake my alt doesnt join the engagement its just boosts something which is a totally viable mechanic take a look at my killboard i lose ships too its not an automatic i win feature this month ive lost more than any other month

Few week old alts really shouldnt be taking on way older players at that stage neway half of them are still learning what mods are for and before u claim its unfair i had to go through the process i started with no sp so HTFU this is eve is harsh and thats why we love it
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#34 - 2014-01-21 21:18:29 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Oh and drones are immune to ECM, so that entire aspect of the game is pretty much dead, especailly in capital scale fleet warfare (which is any sov warfare now).


Just a small correction here: Drones are NOT immune to ECM in general. They are immune to an ECM Burst but you can jam them with targeted ECM.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2014-01-22 00:33:48 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
That is exactly why eve is stagnating with always the same players with more and more alts and no new players. Really if new players convo me sometimes wtf should I tell them? "Get alts, more alts and even more alts"?
Tell them to join Gallente FW and to get into our publicly available (non-boosted most of the time) fleets. They'll actually learn how to fight. Well, they'll learn how to use the approach button and F1 keys at first. After a few dozen kills and lots of fun we start teaching them about advanced pvp techniques such as "tackling" and talking in third person so people know who to warp to.

From there, the stars are the limit - literally.
Salvos Rhoska
#36 - 2014-01-22 03:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
way to write with ur forum alt there colt u make a booboo when i respond to ur plex thing and you dont answer bk but u expect me to belive u just jump bk into conversation when a nub gives u a gee up line.................

a few week aold toon isnt going to get the better of me but for arguments sake my alt doesnt join the engagement its just boosts something which is a totally viable mechanic take a look at my killboard i lose ships too its not an automatic i win feature this month ive lost more than any other month

Few week old alts really shouldnt be taking on way older players at that stage neway half of them are still learning what mods are for and before u claim its unfair i had to go through the process i started with no sp so HTFU this is eve is harsh and thats why we love it


Im not Colt. Im a new player and this is my only account. You seem to have xompletely lost touch with what a new player experiences in EVE and your advantages as a result of having played longer have gone to your head, and you take them for granted.

Its my genuine opinion, that what you are doing, is lame, and I agree with Colts assesment that this kind of multiboxing is rather sad. If you are going to gank someone with a cloaked boost in tow, atleast make it another person, rather than your left hand.

And you are a liar when you claim you wouldnt deploy the boost to ensure a win.

As I said, knowing now that there are players like you out there, I am demotivated to enter PvP till Im far more established myself. Ill focus my reading and progression on other elements of the game instead. I have no intention of being a cheap thrill for your lame antics.

@XGallentius: Yes, I think Ill make my first forays into PvP through applying to a Minmatar FW corp. Possibly even setup an alt for more industrial training so I have something else to play around with as well in the meantime while I train up more combat skills.
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#37 - 2014-01-22 07:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im not Colt. Im a new player and this is my only account. You seem to have xompletely lost touch with what a new player experiences in EVE and your advantages as a result of having played longer have gone to your head, and you take them for granted.


Its something weve all had to go through and it hardens u as a player eve is a game were u either sink or swim

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its my genuine opinion, that what you are doing, is lame, and I agree with Colts assesment that this kind of multiboxing is rather sad. If you are going to gank someone with a cloaked boost in tow


Its a viable tactic and available to everyone in the game not just a select few ive had hundreds of fights not just ganks ive also been ganked myself its just part of the game dont take it to heart once u learn its only pixels ull be fine colts just a bitter player hes always been that way

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And you are a liar when you claim you wouldnt deploy the boost to ensure a win.


You say this like boosts always garuntee a win even against un boosted players this is a myth it isnt a magical " I WIN BUTTON" if someone bring in say a destroyer for my t1 frig and the lose cos i switch on boosts is that me ganking them or was that them looking for a gank on a cheap frig with a ship designed to kill frigs?

Same applies as to when i fight 2-3 v me and use boosts and i win were they also not looking to gank me?

i use my boosts situationaly and not all the time ive had loadsa fights were theres just me and the other guy in system ive even invited other guy into a fleet with me to show no boosts are used
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-01-22 08:02:31 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Im not Colt. Im a new player and this is my only account. You seem to have xompletely lost touch with what a new player experiences in EVE and your advantages as a result of having played longer have gone to your head, and you take them for granted.


Its something weve all had to go through and it hardens u as a player eve is a game were u either sink or swim

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its my genuine opinion, that what you are doing, is lame, and I agree with Colts assesment that this kind of multiboxing is rather sad. If you are going to gank someone with a cloaked boost in tow


Its a viable tactic and available to everyone in the game not just a select few ive had hundreds of fights not just ganks ive also been ganked myself its just part of the game dont take it to heart once u learn its only pixels ull be fine colts just a bitter player hes always been that way

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And you are a liar when you claim you wouldnt deploy the boost to ensure a win.


You say this like boosts always garuntee a win even against un boosted players this is a myth it isnt a magical " I WIN BUTTON" if someone bring in say a destroyer for my t1 frig and the lose cos i switch on boosts is that me ganking them or was that them looking for a gank on a cheap frig with a ship designed to kill frigs?

Same applies as to when i fight 2-3 v me and use boosts and i win were they also not looking to gank me?

i use my boosts situationaly and not all the time ive had loadsa fights were theres just me and the other guy in system ive even invited other guy into a fleet with me to show no boosts are used


Blablabla... A linked frig will almost always win vs a dessie. A duallinked frig will even kill a cruiser.
So don“t try to troll newbies.
I am actually in an alliance where we really try to get even 3 day old toons into the game. But it is nearly impossible.
Concerning Alucards Plex blablabla: It is as always milking new players and nothing else. Eve is actually a "veterans gank newbies with 40m skillpoint toon and 3 alts vs 1 1.5mil newbie toon" game.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-01-22 09:31:51 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Oh and drones are immune to ECM, so that entire aspect of the game is pretty much dead, especailly in capital scale fleet warfare (which is any sov warfare now).


Just a small correction here: Drones are NOT immune to ECM in general. They are immune to an ECM Burst but you can jam them with targeted ECM.



And they have low Sensor strenght so that if you assign a light ecm drone to each one you will effectively halve enemy DPS. But most people cannot accept any strategy that involves all the fleet members having cognitive capabilities.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Irya Boone
The Scope
#40 - 2014-01-22 09:39:38 UTC
leave this part of this forum for true pvp fight get out of here with your null tidi don'tknowwhat .

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB