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Craftingpro Ellecon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-09 22:43:11 UTC
Hello everyone,

I am still relatively new to the game but have been doing much extensive research and also find that I am interested in mining. I have only been in high, low and wormhole space and have done mining in all of them (mostly high sec). I have been looking in to Gas Mining and I wanted to know if it would be profitable for me. I can afford the skill book (~26 million ISK) and the modules (~2.66 million ISK) however it is still a lot of money for me.
So overall I am making this post for some advice and insite on the career of gas mining.

Thanks everyone!

Craftingpro Ellecon,
Icebreakers United Corporation

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Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#2 - 2014-01-09 22:49:36 UTC
Craftingpro Ellecon wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am still relatively new to the game but have been doing much extensive research and also find that I am interested in mining. I have only been in high, low and wormhole space and have done mining in all of them (mostly high sec). I have been looking in to Gas Mining and I wanted to know if it would be profitable for me. I can afford the skill book (~26 million ISK) and the modules (~2.66 million ISK) however it is still a lot of money for me.
So overall I am making this post for some advice and insite on the career of gas mining.

Thanks everyone!

Craftingpro Ellecon,
Icebreakers United Corporation


Yes. Get a venture and some gas miners and go to town. It's just as exciting as mining rocks, only you can fly a ship that's a whole lot cheaper to lose.

Anyplace where the profitable gas is found will also have PVP dangers, but if you are already used to living in WH/Null/Low space, it sounds like you are prepared.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Gas_Cloud_Mining
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2014-01-10 13:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/gas.html may be of interest.



A Venture, with 2 Gas Harvester IIs, pulls in 80m3 (2x 20M3 x 2 (100% bonus)) of gas every 30 seconds ( 40*0.75 (venture bonus at 5))

so to fill it (5000m3), you're talking around 32 minutes + travel time between clouds (If you have to travel. many clouds contain a full load or more).

Such as a https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Flame_Nebula , with 2 clouds of 500 units (at 10m3 each) worth 3.6 million per load.

Lowsec/nullsec/WH have better

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#4 - 2014-01-20 00:00:43 UTC
Is there anywhere that lists the damage from the various gas clouds so I can better able fit a venture?
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#5 - 2014-01-20 08:40:57 UTC
Look for lowsec gas constellations. These have nullsec gas (Cytoserocin) sites. 80 mil per hour is theoretically possible in these. (Scanning time will reduce this) You have to check before which gas is worthwhile.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#6 - 2014-01-20 12:09:03 UTC
Wh's can also have quite profitable gas sites at higher levels, though it's much much easier to access them if you already belong to a WH entity.

Lowsec is rather hit or miss. The rare cyto sites can be valuable, but you have to spend a lot of time scanning for each one you find. Nullsec is probably the easiest place to be a professional gas harvester if you can join an alliance that has access to one of the special nullsec ladar constellations, such as Pegasus constellation in Fountain.

Highsec... forget it. Myko is used to make synth boosters, that are legal to own, but the prices are always quite low.

TLDR: unless you put a lot of effort into it, gas harvesting only really works as a member of a larger group, mainly to help get you to where the gas clouds are.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#7 - 2014-01-20 15:26:00 UTC
you can mine all you want. problem is selling myko/cytoserocin. People just prefer to buy implants that you can fit and have all the time than using boosters. you can use both, but for hisec using synth boosters is worthless because of small bonus.

Boosters are used in low null and wh and only then for big fights or wh escalations.

i have boosters worth few billion and selling them is a pain in ...

As i remember small (null) gas clouds that don't have rats do EM and thermal damage (you can fit a venture to with passive shield regen that has just about enough to stay there for long. Gas clouds with rats do only 1 kind of damage, but there's a decent spawn at beginning and then after some mining you have another spawns of few frigs.

If you're new to the game and want some adventure, go mine some gas. if you want to mine for profit, forget it.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#8 - 2014-01-20 18:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Noxisia Arkana
Sandrestal wrote:
Is there anywhere that lists the damage from the various gas clouds so I can better able fit a venture?


Sleepers spawn in wormholes after about 1/2hour and will agress. The clouds don't do any damage there.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2014-01-20 23:14:25 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Sandrestal wrote:
Is there anywhere that lists the damage from the various gas clouds so I can better able fit a venture?


Sleepers spawn in wormholes after about 1/2hour and will agress. The clouds don't do any damage there.

Isolated Core Deposits have clouds that hit for 500 EM damage, but that's w-space ore not gas.

I've read that "You need a tank of about 2k to harvest in nullsec if you're going after those viridian cytoserocin clouds."
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2014-01-21 22:30:11 UTC
I tried mining gas in nulsec. The clouds are strong enough to break a T1 cruiser. They will obliterate a Venture.

w-space is where its at. The sleepers spawn in as little as 15 minutes, or rarely not at all. Also be watching your d-scan. You can have something else up on another monitor. But don't alt-tab out.

Do some math and find out which gases give you the best value per m3, not per unit. Since you mine x m3/time, time is money when mining. Here's a hint: one of the better ones is found in all classes of w-space.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#11 - 2014-01-21 23:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Depends on a number of factors of course, but generally only the 320 and 540 wh gases really payout. The others sometimes. If you have a booster of course this gets better but, if you aren't living in a wh that can be difficult.

Here are some numbers from IPH on gas mining using max buy prices. This feature is still in development but this gives you an idea.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/844/or64.jpg

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Aneeda
Cosmic Chemicals
#12 - 2014-01-24 05:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Aneeda
Fullerene gases found in wornmholes are easier to sell than low/hi sec booster gas in my experience.

Ninja gas mining in wormholes in a Venture usually yields me about 15 to 20 million ISK worth of C32/50/72 gas in about 30 minutes if I stick to the lower class wormholes. I can usually top off the Venture's 5000m3 ore hold at about 40 million ISK worth of gas in 30 minutes if I find some C320/540 gas in a C5 or C6 wormhole.

A few tips I've picked up along the way:

  • Never warp your Venture to any Gas Site that is classified as 'Ordinary'. These sites have sentry guns waiting and will pop you pretty quick.

  • Always warp into a Gas Site at 100k in case someone has already triggered the Sleeper spawns. That will give you the ability to leave.

  • Watch what time it is when you enter a Gas Site. After 20 minutes you will want to leave to avoid the Sleeper spawns that appear. You can sometimes push the limit on this and wait for them to appear and warp out then, but I like to play it safe. Some of the C320/540 Gas Sites have sleeper spawns with scramblers.

  • Don't bother setting up to mine gas in a system that has active player ships on Dscan when entering the wormhole... its just not worth the risk. There are plenty of wormholes out there that are empty.

  • Fit a probe launcher on your Venture so that you only have to worry about one ship. Don't worry about a cloak, you can't use it while mining anyway. Use the cheapest probe equipment you can to scan what you need in a reasonable amount of time. You will lose Venture's ninja mining at some point and you want to make a profit off of them before you do.