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Easing the Mexallon Deficency in Nullsec? A Suggestion
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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#1 - 2014-01-18 15:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
This thread was locked: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3341041 but I am wondering if anything has changed from then until now? CCP Fozzie?

Here is the issue as I see it, mexallon is very hard to get in nullsec as for me, hidden belts are the only place that offer ores to get it in any noticeable quantity. The problem is that hidden belts do not offer mexallon near enough to the usage rates for typical ship types needs. Furthermore, from the belts I've mined in nullsec, I have yet to find one that has plag or kernite. Maybe this is something missing from my areas but I've been in a few null sec systems and don't see it. This makes the issue worse.

See this comparison spreadsheet for some numbers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AukAV6sUNfRndHE1LU90di13eUxsSURNY1RSNU40Tnc&usp=sharing

As you can see, the large hidden belt is the best place to get mexallon if you flip the belt. But even if you mined this out, you are still deficient in the amount you would need to build T1/Capital ships. Sure you could cherry pick each belt but then you have to wait for respawn to mine again. Plus you can see the other minerals are generally in line with requirements to build capital ships and high end minerals are over what you need, thus can be shipped to highsec for sale.

While pyerite is also below needs, the natural belts all have scordite in plenty of supply and can be mined to get more pyerite when needed. You can't do this with mexallon (in large quantities) as far as I know. So the only place to get mexallon in any decent quantity is in the hidden belts, which is problematic.

So the suggestion I have, based on the numbers, is to not change refine rates for ores in hidden belts, but to add plag and kernite to the natural belts throughout nullsec. Regions would get a particular ore based on the type of pirate faction flies in the space. Ie. Serpentis/Drones would follow Gallente rules and add plag, Sansha goes with Amarr and adds kernite.

While from the previous post linked above CCP Fozzie says they don't want to make areas independent of others, I still think some additional asteroids in natural belts could alleviate the deficiency of mexallon for nullsec needs and not cut off the need to ship minerals from empire from time to time.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-01-18 16:11:01 UTC
The mexallon deficiency is intended and needs no fixing.
imports are the solution as the flow of goods back and forth between null and high is the intended consequence.

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#3 - 2014-01-18 16:19:52 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
The mexallon deficiency is intended and needs no fixing.
imports are the solution as the flow of goods back and forth between null and high is the intended consequence.


This. You will always have a chokepoint somewhere where you run out of a certain mineral first.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#4 - 2014-01-18 16:48:18 UTC
Note I never said to eliminate the chokepoint, I would like it eased somewhat.

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JamnOne
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-01-18 16:54:53 UTC
The easing of the "chokepoint" is simpler than you think. Ask a corp/alliance mate to run into hi-sec and get some. If you don't have any corp/alliance mates that run into low/hi sec you can work out a deal with corps that do a lot of travel between the secs and have them bring you mex for a small fee of course.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#6 - 2014-01-18 17:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
I'm aware of how to jump ships to empire. However, that shouldn't be a solution to supplying a fundamental mineral to building ships.

To those that use the same reply they've used every time this is suggested...that we should rely on empire for our mineral supply, then why did CCP change spod, ark, bist, crokite to add more trit to nullsec? Is compression by 425's really intended?

It's not a game breaking change but it would have a large effect on industry in null. Anyone that does industry in null knows the mex woes there.

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JamnOne
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-01-18 18:03:30 UTC
Did you take their Industry and Research survey? If you haven't take it and put this down as an issue. Part of the survey talks about co-operation. You have choices to choose from in regards to how you feel about this.
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-18 19:09:11 UTC
Import and export are a fundamental aspect of industry and trade in real life. This does not need to be changed.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#9 - 2014-01-18 19:46:08 UTC
JamnOne wrote:
Did you take their Industry and Research survey? If you haven't take it and put this down as an issue. Part of the survey talks about co-operation. You have choices to choose from in regards to how you feel about this.

Yeah, already did that among other things.

Thanks for constructive comments.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2014-01-18 22:23:45 UTC
While I like trade, because trade routes should be protected and/or fought over, you are right that the balance is screwy. I would rather have it so that people could be self-sufficient in T1 manufacturing in their own space, because that gives an industrial core to attack and defend.

After that, I'd make it so that jump freighters cannot jump out of high sec - they should have to make at least one gate jump into lowsec.

When I had my Titan built, I hated that I ratted in null to make ISK, then bought minerals in high sec, then had my corp make rail guns, then had the rail guns jumped to 0.0, to build the ship. At no point was there a real risk to the trade route, it was just a cumbersome pain-in-the-ass.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-01-18 22:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Pretty sure CCP's on record saying they like that there is a mexallon deficiency.

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