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I am the Anti-Mittani / EVE will be virtually dead within a year / I hope my tears fuel you

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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#81 - 2011-11-24 17:26:18 UTC
For a long time I thought that it was absurd that a combat ship such as a supercap had its own built-in warp core stabs. I thought that such modules belonged only on non-PVP ships like T2 haulers or miners.

But now I see the mindset of a supercap pilot, I realise that it is entirely appropriate. These pilots are too :elite: to be expected to fly a non-stabbed ship. Maybe we could even ask for T3 WCS for them, so they can avoid being exposed to any risk at all?
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2011-11-24 17:31:32 UTC
to hell with caps. caps are not the end game, pvp is. if i ran the show, id limit each Alliance to maybe like...3 titans. caps should not be able to scratch subcap fleets. they should cost a shitload to maintain, and they should not be able to move much. originally they were supposed to act as mobile bases, not gangbang pwnmobiles. i hope CCP sees the light and reverts to this philosophy.

my 2 cents. i hope your caps get nerfed to the ground
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#83 - 2011-11-24 17:37:06 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
to hell with caps. caps are not the end game, pvp is. if i ran the show, id limit each Alliance to maybe like...3 titans. caps should not be able to scratch subcap fleets. they should cost a shitload to maintain, and they should not be able to move much. originally they were supposed to act as mobile bases, not gangbang pwnmobiles. i hope CCP sees the light and reverts to this philosophy.

my 2 cents. i hope your caps get nerfed to the ground


Gudfites are the end game. NOT CAPS!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#84 - 2011-11-24 17:55:09 UTC
Now give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's quite possible that he purchased a degree in game theory and design from an online university, and therefore knows exactly what he is talking about.

(I'll expect my payment via the usual means, thank you.)

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#85 - 2011-11-24 18:01:35 UTC
xxxak wrote:


But I am the Anti-Mittani.* Unlike him and his dark Horde, I do not want to see New Eden burn. I don't want to see 1000 rifters beat 100 supers. I don't want to see online player numbers drop and drop and drop. I don't want this game to go in the direction of SWG -- which died a horrible, twisted death when the Devs tried to appeal to the masses and the kiddies and the nubtards.



You are a idiot. 1000 rifters beating 100 supers means you just dropped alliance level assets that require a support fleet....without a support fleet.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#86 - 2011-11-24 18:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Tippia wrote:
xxxak wrote:
CCP, with its new Crucible patch, has utterly ruined the end-game
Incorrect. For a number of reasons.

First of all, no matter how much the fact makes you QQ, EVE has no end-game. You have an end-game, and it is of zero relevance to anyone else. The end-game you set up for yourself was balanced, big deal.

Second of all, supercaps are most definitely not the end-game, even if there was one.

Thirdly, supercaps are not ruined.

Fourth, stop spamming your incoherent and uninformed dribble all over the place.




I used to agree with that view but i got to say that as i'm aproaching 9 years of playing this game, and have practically every skill i want to train to lvl 5 done(almost 140 skills), or well trained(150+ skills to lvl 4), and the sight of hitting 200 million skill points isn't that far away anymore, having the best implants and plenty of isk....Heck all 4 titan skills are maxed out, that end game feels a lot closer these days.



I'm not interested in research or production skills, or trading or anything that doesn't involve flying a ship inn the first place, wich i can do all 4 races equally well, so i'm as nerf proof as possible in that respect, and don't take this as me boasting as it's just a matter of time and patience and persistance for everyone to reach this point.....Most quit well before hitting this mark.


And yes over those years, i've tried everything from mining, to pvp, to pve and being in three 0.0 aliances, and it all becomes the same over that period, fighting and dieing repeatedly for the same systems over and over, even if under a different aliance banner, friends that become enemies and enemies that are now corp/aliance mates, so it's become pretty stale for long running players that have been here since the game was basically released in 2003(not that far from the decade mark, so time flies).


I don't see eve's backstory getting developed at all, know nothing more about the jove than we did in 2003 or opening the eve gate and see what's on the other side of it, and even releasing the rest of the T2 ships and faction ships for all ship classes(dreads, carriers, super carriers and even titans), or the extremely long road to releasing more T3 ships, wich we only have cruisers for the last 2 years, and at this rate the odds are that i'll probably kick the bucket before we see all T3 ship classes in game anyhow.



I fully realise that CCP's focus is on the new players, and atracting more of them to ensure the game's overall survival here in financial terms, but forgetting content for the older crowd that have been with this game so long isn't right either, even though i fully realise that releasing even more powerfull ships that take years of training and only affects a very small portion of the eve player base(unfortunately since many have already left), doesn't make financial sense for CCP given the work involved, but it still would something i'd be happy to undertake that challenge(heck beyond rank 16 skills, bring it), but it will still **** off the newer players stating it increases the skill gap between veterans and newer players....An argument i've been hearing since 2004 btw when i only had 11 million sp in those days.


Getting bored CCP, do something about it please...
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2011-11-24 18:23:28 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
The idea that bittervets like you xxxak keep the sandbox running is ludicrous.

If anything, you keep the sandbox from running as well as it should. So, find a new sandbox.

I hear RL is a sandbox. You should probably level up your apartment cleaning skills, and stop wearing soiled underwear and shirts and posting between two towers of pizza boxes about how mad you are about super caps getting well needed balance changes.


I have a maid.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]

xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-11-24 18:25:28 UTC
HellGate fr wrote:
You just don't have any PvP skills and the only thing you can do is using a supercap and now your PvE and PvP toy is getting nerfed you make a thread to whine about it. If you don't like using subcaps stay on Skyrim killing wolves for experience.
I play since 2006 and I'm very happy about this change.


CRY SOME MOAR


This is the only poast that offends me. Look at my killboard. I have 100s of pvp kills, hardly any big losses, and not a single kill in a super cap.

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#89 - 2011-11-24 18:30:45 UTC
Tallest !!

Giv'me more range on my Talos, I can't hit this scrub with my sword !!

Do it NAO !
Angel Lust
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2011-11-24 18:34:01 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Tallest !!

Giv'me more range on my Talos, I can't hit this scrub with my sword !!

Do it NAO !

Use orish bow... and stealth P
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2011-11-24 18:35:08 UTC
I am impressed with the OP's real life bank account. 10 of my fathers houses is worth over 33 million.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2011-11-24 18:37:08 UTC
xxxak wrote:
Tear Miner wrote:
The idea that bittervets like you xxxak keep the sandbox running is ludicrous.

If anything, you keep the sandbox from running as well as it should. So, find a new sandbox.

I hear RL is a sandbox. You should probably level up your apartment cleaning skills, and stop wearing soiled underwear and shirts and posting between two towers of pizza boxes about how mad you are about super caps getting well needed balance changes.


I have a maid.


i have a sexy tall scandinavian manservant, come at me

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2011-11-24 18:38:24 UTC
and my scandinavian manservant has his own maid and he shows up to clean my infinity pool in his porsche

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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#94 - 2011-11-24 18:42:23 UTC
WOW, you can tell this guy is a vet, he has s***posting trained to level five.

I only have it to lvl 4 but ill be training that next, Currently training Forum W*oring to lvl 4. Lol

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#95 - 2011-11-24 18:51:53 UTC
I can certainly understand digitalwanderers point of view, long time vets DO need new and challenging content as well.

Of course virtually untouchable, overpowered ships are not the answer.

New and interesting area's of game play are. Even something as simple as a viable system for being a bounty hunter, or a contraband hunter, or an anti-pirate professional, or even better tools to facilitate a resurgence of purely mercenary corps of all sizes.

That's the way forward, not an ever escalating power curve of new ship types.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2011-11-24 19:03:25 UTC
xxxak wrote:
CCP, with its new Crucible patch, has utterly ruined the end-game, aka Supercapitals. I know, the whiners are already screaming, "EvE doesn't have an end-game." Bullocks.

I've played this game for 5+ years, and the vast majority of "bittervets" I know own caps and own supercaps, or want super caps. No one has the long term "goal" of being a Battleship jocky/cannon fodder. At least, no one who will play EvE long-term.

The nubs who fly Dreaks in Level III missions come and go. They don't contribute much to industry, they don't contribute much to the politics of EvE, and they don't contribute much as FC or any of the other roles that keep the "sandbox" of EvE running.

I don't give much of a **** about what happens to my own super. For one thing, I bought it with Plex, and I have an almost unlimited amount of Plex in my RL bank account (Imagine about 10 of your parent's houses). Furthermore, being extremely busy in RL, I have not had time to log into EvE for any reason other than to change skills. So, as for my supercap, let it burn, let it die, let it rot in space. I will either Plex for another one, or fly a 'Nado, which looks more fun anyways.

But I am the Anti-Mittani.* Unlike him and his dark Horde, I do not want to see New Eden burn. I don't want to see 1000 rifters beat 100 supers. I don't want to see online player numbers drop and drop and drop. I don't want this game to go in the direction of SWG -- which died a horrible, twisted death when the Devs tried to appeal to the masses and the kiddies and the nubtards.

I was on the Something Awful forums long, LONG before The Mittani. I saw the first skirmishes between SA, 4chan, THWF, Gen May, and others. I understand their goals and motivations. And I loath them.

Come at me, bro.

TL;DL -- EvE is not a fun game; crying about my super; my tears, they fuel you. My tears, best tears.



*OTOH, perhaps he is right. EvE is not a fun game.




3/10 -- mostly for effort. rambly and unfocused,. Mentioning your own wealth and power screams insecurity, people like to be trolled by secure confident folks you know... and 'eve is dying" again? really? I suggest a re-write, I think you can do better ;P

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#97 - 2011-11-24 19:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
You know, one change that would make Carriers and Super Carriers much more believable and at the same time promote more balanced fleets would be to develop the core technology to do these things:

1: Do away with the ability Titans have to jump bridge sub captials.
2: Allow pilots to literally dock their ships and themselves in Carriers and Super Carriers. Their ship view at that point becomes the Carrier/Super Carrier although they control none of it's systems.

It's not a new idea, but think about it. The main point of the Carrier/Super Carrier literally becomes transportation of the spear head of your conventional support fleet. If you left the bulk of their other capabilities intact they would still have plenty to do.

At that point they serve a vital and necessary role in any engagement involving Caps, Super Caps, and sub caps.

Just a thought.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#98 - 2011-11-24 19:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Ranger 1 wrote:
I can certainly understand digitalwanderers point of view, long time vets DO need new and challenging content as well.

Of course virtually untouchable, overpowered ships are not the answer.

New and interesting area's of game play are. Even something as simple as a viable system for being a bounty hunter, or a contraband hunter, or an anti-pirate professional, or even better tools to facilitate a resurgence of purely mercenary corps of all sizes.

That's the way forward, not an ever escalating power curve of new ship types.




Would be true that new professions like the ones you mentioned would be pretty cool to add variety to the game, but what about in terms of skill training objectives?...There has to be something there to keep the char evolving skill training wise?


The reason i mentioned faction and T2 capitals, is mostly because at least for the faction variety they're already in the storyline of at least 5 factions,....Salvador sarpati of the serpentis has his own titan, and it doesn't look like an erebus, and if you look at the eve chronicals, we see a picture of a caldari titan that looks nothing like a leviathan, or when the khanid seperated from the amarr empire, they took 2 titans with them and they don't look like avatar titans in the least...There's only a partial picture but they look like giant sized dramiels, so way better looking than the flying mushroom..:P


Then there's the sansha with the incursions and the revenent supercarrier.....Do you really believe the other factions would stand idly by and not try to develop their own versions to balance out forces overall between all factions, even if using the existing super carrier hulls as a basis for their designs?....Or how about the mothership type vessel the jove deployed when the amarr attacked them and they got wiped out.


So the examples for at least faction versions of capital ships are there, as they're either in game or in the eve chronicles themselves...That's some of the examples of the lost potential within the eve storyline, not being taken advantage off at all so far....
Xenuria
#99 - 2011-11-24 19:14:50 UTC
MFW people actually think a ship type or skill set is the endgame Roll

EvE is not Morrowind... It's an MMO, there is no End-Game except for maybe completing every epic arc in the game and experiences every type of gameplay functionality.

EvE is a sandbox, the game experience is literally what you as a person are psychologically capable of making it.

also the Mitt barely even logs in to eve anymore.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2011-11-24 19:16:01 UTC
posting in a EVE is dieing thread. Grats you spent RL money on a ingame pixel. Maybe you wouldn't be so angry and bitter if you donated or helped someone in need.

I have more space likes than you.