EVE General Discussion

And I thought the 30ish procurers, all locking me, with their drones deployed, was scary...

that's nice, but that's not damaging the economy.

How do you damage the economy with market bots? What does it even mean to damage the economy?

npc corp, good luck with that.

Well said, it might be one person who is very organised.. but it[s not really different than the same amount of actual players doing the same thing.

(they must make a fortune though to pay for all those plexs)

If you don't understand how producing 96n objects for the price of 1 "hurts" the economy, then you don't understand economics. It's pretty basic. As you introduce more of n, n becomes less scarce. As n becomes less scarce, it's "value" decreases. As its value decreases, there is less and less motivation to produce it and people move on to finding other things to "produce".

Ok, ice is cheaper and people don't want to mine ice. So what? Well, so that is one activity that people are disincentivized from doing. EVE is essentially a finite collection of activities that we can do and objects we can produce in exchange for the things that we find to be valuable. I trade the value that I create for the value that I want that may have been created by someone else (or I just create the value that I want for myself). So, if you take that one activity (ice harvesting) and that one object (ice ore) out of the system, you are devaluing the system. If he is producing what it should take 96 people to produce, several things happen. 1) The 95 other people who would have produced that ice now have 1 less (attractive) option for interfacing with the economy. 2) Those 95 people will go on to produce some other object or action (presumably, or they may just not play), thus devaluing that next object or action by introducing more of it into the economy. 3) The multiboxer will likely sell that ice for less than the collection of 96 actual players would have, because to him/her, ice is theoretically 96 times less valuable. 4) That multiboxer will be a net extractor of value from the economy, because actual players introduce other value into the economy beyond just the ice that they mine i.e. they "play" the game, with others. The multiboxer on the other hand cannot carry on 96 conversations, cannot innovate at the same rate as 96 players would, cannot organize or analyze the way that 96 human beings can. He can just produce his ice and trade it for whatever it is he wants, presumably ISK. There is an antiseptic nature to that conversion that ultimately leads to deficiencies in the system.

It's easy to understand if you take the scenario to it's ultimate expression and just have one guy pay CCP enough money such that he becomes the only producer of ice, such that he can field enough characters to mine all the ice in the game. Now, put all those other ice miners somewhere else, lets say in the asteroid belts. Now, in addition to ice harvesting being a non-activity (because you'll get little to no value from doing it), ore mining is now taking a huge hit, because with all the new miners, the value of ore plummets. Then, the value of minerals plummets. Then, the value of things created with minerals plummets. With production yielding very low value for the amount of work put in, people must turn to doing other things. Some won't, because they don't want to use EVE as a glorified chat room. They want to have an effect on the game that they play. Some won't turn to destruction because it's just not in their nature. There's only so many things a given person will want to do in the game. When the things they want to do are devalued to pointlessness, they will cease to play. (Or they might throw a tantrum and start ganking noobs in Uitra. Who knows?)

We can't really know exactly how much damage a multiboxer might be doing to the game, because it is difficult to quantify what any person puts in or takes out of the game and it is difficult to understand how the result of "putting in" and "taking out" affects them going forward. It should be enough to understand that ice harvesting would be a more rewarding activity for more people if the multiboxing ice miner wasn't doing what he/she is doing.

I am at work giving that miner and his wallet a standing ovation. Just WOW. Convo me dude, we need you.

Miners are fast food employees of eve. Miners don't run eve, they work in the slums of eve.

This is what happens when you multibox 90 accounts. I encourage all of you to do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlhlwuf4qjs&feature=youtu.be


As you can see there are major downsides. There are much easier and less costly ways to make fortunes in eve.

white glaze. 283m/unit
clear icicle. 213m/unit.

so i'm guessing clear icicle is mined by EVEN MORE MASSIVE MULTIBOX FLEETS right?

This is the disservice the barge EHP buff has done to the EVE community. Notice how all of the mackinaws are alive and stealing all of that ice from the poor newbie ice miners. Think of the newbies, its time to revert the barge EHP buff.