Player Features and Ideas Discussion

May I ask, how do you measure that. And why do you think the nulified ceptors are a success?

What I see from my day to day pvp activity.
Yes there are a lot of ceptor gangs in various sizes from 5-50+

But in 99% of the time cepter fleets never take any fights
they gank one here one there. But as soon as you go after them with 3 ppl they completly ignore you.
And you cant do anything to catch them without high effort.

What you see is prolly the increase usage of ceptors.
Because they are now the riskless "roaming" ship for everyone.

But the fun factor is going down for sure.
The big ceptor gangs do nothing than gank and avoid any fight ...hours of boredom for them
The people who would like to fight vs ceptors, dont even bother to undock anymore, because they know they will just run.

My head is still spinning around why we are catering to gate campers in the first place with these changes, and why travel is being brought up as such an issue. Cloaky nullified T3's slip through gate camps every day. Hell, almost any cloaky ship slips though gate camps every day, are we going to nerf cloaking next?? Plus, now you're giving a buff to sensor boosters and remote sensor boosters through the new overheating mechanic. This will make all classes of ships, including interceptors, MUCH easier to catch.

Gate camping is the new meta??

My next thought is that we have a lot of people complaining about damage projection with light missiles. I know the fits that TEST uses do a whopping 50-60 DPS depending on skills, and the only way they are able to get into warp under 2 seconds is if we gimp their tank and/or damage and put 2 inertia stabilizers on.

The fit is already making sacrifices both in tank and damage output in order to move fast. This is for our malediction fit, I assume the crow is in the same boat. If these changes go through, the only way for the malediction and crow to be able to fit their intended roll is if they are fit with a few inertia stabilizers or agility rigs. This change indirectly buffs faction, pirate, and the stiletto because they'll be way better suited to the roll that the malediction and crow originally filled.

Again, I repeat my last post, don't down on missile interceptors and kill their ability to tackle and hold a point by reducing their agility. They are already paper thin and don't do much DPS. Why are we even revisiting this original change when CCP has bigger things to figure out like sov mechanics, POS quality of living, and other ships to still rebalance. Why are we as players/customers getting features we DO NOT want and DO NOT need? All these changes cause MORE problems rather than solve anything. These new changes serve only to break more things in this game.

Please explain to me how you would bait a ship that goes 4km/sec, aligns out in three seconds with the MWD running, and has no reason to be closer than the edge of its 30km point range. That's enough to keep them safe from everything but range-bonused neuts and recon hard tackle, all of which come on hulls that will be immediately obvious on dscan (or have a 5 second targeting delay upon decloaking). Inline Smartbombs are trivially easy to avoid with even the most basic preventive steps, so if you're trying to pass them off as some sort of inescapable hard counter then I'm not the one who looks bad. Hell, if we could spend the entire Fountain War bouncing Caracals around to avoid RnK Pipebombs you can do the same thing in your bubble-immune 8AU/sec frigates.


Again, you aren't complaining about catching ratters. You're complaining that you might now have to interact with a defense gang other than trolling them in local as you breeze past them. Why do you feel entitled to hunt in hostile space without the possibility of reprisal from the locals? Beyond that, explain to me why a ratter who is at the keyboard, reads intel channels, and reacts quickly to threats deserves to die, or why you think people would rat at all if they couldn't protect themselves?

Linking a lossmail doesn't disprove my point. It's easy to mistake "unchatchable" for "invulnerable" given how hard it is to kill the new Interceptors, but if you're actually aware of smartbombs as a possibility it's really ******* easy to avoid them with basic preventive measures.

Bounce off celestials or have perches on gates and send one scout through first to make sure they didn't do something extreme like blanket the in-gate with disco ships at 12km. Now your worst-case scenario is losing the one Interceptor you sent ahead, so I guess don't pick the guy with a Snake clone.


Do you honestly need me to explain this to you or are you just being deliberately obtuse because you want to keep your new toy?

Unless I'm mistaken these interceptors died to a battleship fleet.

This it immediately disproves your point that interceptors are invulnerable in general. Yes smart bombing battleships are easy to avoid if you have necessary intel and use things like bounces and warp ins. This goes for all classes of ship, not just interceptors.

Interceptors can be caught when they don't gimp their tank and damage output and fit inertia stabs, like many of the fits that dodge gate camps do.

Your argument that they are unfightable and invulnerable to defense fleets and gate camps is silly and not thought out. Cloaky ships have been pretty damn invulnerable to things like defense fleets and gate camps for quite a long time. And they don't really have to sacrifice anything to have that ability unlike any of the interceptor fits used to avoid such gate camps and defense fleets. If we're going to throw around words, and arguments that one class of ship is invulnerable and uncatchable, then CCP should be looking into a lot more ships to nerf rather than just maledictions and crows.

Along the same lines, before in this thread you noted how it's a big advantage to be able to apply damage out of neut/web/scram range. Most sniping battle cruisers have quite good insta locking capabilities and are able to apply their damage from 100+ km away. Whenever a ship gets close to them they simply warp away, much like interceptors. And interceptors don't quite have the power to alpha another ship with their missiles.

This example extends to a variety of kiting fits. Not just sniping battlecruisers.

Interceptors do need to be fixed. But not to the point where the malediction and crow are gimped in combat and fail to fit into their intended role, which is to intercept other ships. They do need to be brought back into line with the other interceptors, and I think that would be a good start for a fix.

This isn't a crow thing, all light missiles ships are similarly overpowered.

Yeah but in empire, covops are totally pvp-immune.

Dude, its not just a goon issue. Interceptors are fcking retardedly overpowered atm.

CCP why did you decide to add the ability to overheat sensor boosters, AND nerf interceptor agility at the same time?

I know people like to say that certain ships are 'the flavour of the month', but literally giving a shipclass a month of usefulness like this is ridiculous.

I was on one of Sa Matra's Malediction roams through Deklein once... A Claw chased us into an anomoly and held its own against 6 of us long enough to kill the guy who landed in scram range before he finally went down. If there had been more of them we would have been completely dumpstered.

This is because interceptors that are set up to have a fast align have to dedicate at least 2 of their lowslots to that function by fitting istabs. Interceptors that don't do that are far more combat capable.

Fast aligning interceptors are very much counterable, if you're willing to undock and do something other than just sit on a gate with a sebo. It's called 'adapting'.

But buffing all sebos and nerfing all interceptors just so you can catch the ones that are set up to align quickly is detrimental to the usability of the entire class, not just the ultra-specialized ones that Sa Matra has been terrorizing the North with.

The agility change doesn't make sense, and the double whammy added by overheating sebos is even worse.