Ships & Modules

Exactly this.

Conflag 1300 DPS at 32km with better tracking than Tachys. No more to say.

But back to topic i think vargur has more flexibilty. It has awesome tracking and good falloff.

Ammo has no flight time as CM have. Overkill is very small cause of low cycle times ~3secs.

You will hit even close targets very well. You only have to turn AC on not additionally TP or switch missile type for smaller targets.

If correctly used with MJD or MWD (faction with low -% on cap) it will outperform Golem i guess.

My stats are not using faction mods for damage mods. My tank is also cap stable, and strong enough to face ANY mission, specially since I do not get within 20 km of rats.


Also your numbers are Lies. They are usign Drone DPS combined. Your drones are not doign damage at that range.

Tachyons have MORE DPS than Pulse lasers at same range!!! Put faction damage mods on my paladin, add the drones as you are using and that 65 km damage goes to 1200 dps... 1200 dps at 65 km!

And at the range you fight with a paladin you do not have ANY tracking issues. Tachyons have the extra bonus of when needed, being able to pop enemies 120 km from you with very high dps still.

Ran a quick actual gameplay test. Same fit, same implants, same damage mods, same skills, everything.

Gone bezerk, I actually thought tachs would do better in this mission specifically because of ranges and spawns but with pulse I finished in 11min and with tachs finished in 12min. Yes everything was in optimal but overkill on the cruisers and some tracking issues and the longer cycle time boned it a bit it seems.

Another factor might be the em/therm split on the conflag/INMF though scorch does almost just EM.

Tachs are great but pulse is better.

For the isk recommend a Pirate Faction BS. Salvage market is so low that not worth the time, no need to salvage. (unless elite salvage PvP)

I traded my Vargur for the Machariel and so much better. Its also fast enough to pick up loot without a tractor in a little more time than a tractor fitted Vargur.

Missions are going faster, and WH results much better.

anyway at least don't get a Vargur.

p.s. 4 people like me

overtanked? you dont say...

that aside with th te nerf id rather swap out a te with a gyro2 and get replace the rigs with a t1 ambit and a t2 burst. youd stll be overtanked but at least now youll be doing a bit more dps.

Partial necro, but I have been away. Yeah, rigs were from pre-bastion days. Been wondering the best way to add dps and will likely switch to damage rigs.

Golem is not necessarily superior to any of the other marauders. I've used all four marauders and experimented with fits ranging from straight T2 to >meta 11, and I've found that the best for engaging high DPS at range is the Vargur. The thing with the marauders is that you have to tailor them to the situation that you're putting them into. Golems tank insanely hard, I won't deny that, but overall, their DPS at range is surprisingly underwhelming. Cruises are very nice, especially for hitting BC and BS at long range, and torps do huge DPS at close range, but I frankly prefer the Paladin or the Vargur.

The thing with the Vargur is that like most AC ships, it does okay with moderate skills, but its true value is only shown with essentially maxed related skills. If you want to take the time to max all your gunnery supplements, the Vargur will be at lowest on par with the Golem, if not better. Vargurs have the same benefit of capless ammo, so neuting doesn't really hurt them (which is very important against sleepers and some rats,) and with an ancillary shield booster, both of them tank like absolute bastards, but the Vargur to me seems to outperform the Golem in the most important areas.

As for the Paladin and the Kronos, the fits I loved the most with them were the long range fits, especially Tachyons on the Paladin. The sheer amount of damage at range easily allows you to annihilate most everything before it can get to a point of being a threat. Its easy enough to hit all ships, with the exception of some frigates before they close in, and the drones certainly make up for the Tach and 425 tracking issues at close range. I wouldn't necessarily think its required to put blasters on a kronos with the flexibility of the railguns, just like I wouldn't put arties on a Vargur due to having essentially maxed gunnery skills.

For level fours in general, any marauder can tank them trivially, and annihilate the NPC's in extremely short order. For Sanctums and Havens in null, they tank perfectly against the incoming DPS, and while the Kronos and Paladin might run into some cap issues at times, its relatively easy to work around. As far as I've seen, anything involving sleepers is best handled with any type of shield tank, and the Bastion module gives both the Vargur and the Golem enough flexibility to tank and apply damage, but it all depends on what you use it for. Honestly, it all comes down to personal preference, and I personally love my Vargurs since they seem to be the most flexible out of all of the marauders.

Hope that helps, but if not, I guess that's fine too.